Hah McVay.

[BDD222]

I’ll be honest, I think it’s ridiculous that a referee can blow the whistle and things after that can still count. Makes no sense to me.

Even on a fumble like last night in the Pittsburgh game when the LJ said the runner was down and blew his whistle for a stoppage? it was reviewed and clearly a fumble.

 

[BDD222]

The play was officiated correctly which tied the game at 30-30. I'm ok with the current rule and I would also be ok with the rule being changed. Such 'one in a million' type plays have resulted in previous rule changes. The 'Tuck rule' and the 'Holy Roller' come to mind. Generally fans don't like games being decided by such plays.

This particular game wasn't decided by the 2 point conversion unless we use hindsight. There were still multiple opportunities for points at the end of this game. If down by 2 then Seattle would have been more aggressive with their last two regular time possessions. They may have scored a TD to go-ahead if the Rams did make the FG.

The problem is that McVay and some Rams players and fans are treating this play like the score would have ended up 30-28 and we don't know that to be true.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

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He does love him some him. If I was half as good looking, I'd probably stare at the mirror a lot too.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Real question here.

Was there a whistle prior to Charb touching it?

I honestly couldn’t tell (crowd noise).

Exactly, and when has the whistle ever effected replay and the government anyway

 

[glenwo2]

Exactly, and when has the whistle ever effected replay and the government anyway

 

[Sperrydogg]

He does love him some him. If I was half as good looking, I'd probably stare at the mirror a lot too.

Yeah but he’s growing a pretty large bald spot…

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Doesn't matter when you walk on water, float in midair to the games, and are w/out fault. According to many of their fans and much of the media.

 

[flv2]

Also after a horrible missed call on a PI committed by a team (which sent them to the superbowl) we got reviewable PI for one season

Was not a good change so it reverted

Can't recall the team that benefitted so much from that PI.....

The Rams benefitted from the missed PI.
The Seahawks benefitted from the Fail Mary.

The review of PI was a good change but it didn't do what coach and most fans wanted it to do - which was to overturn subjective calls. Most fans want personal foul calls to be reviewable, (including myself), but whilst it would work better there would still be a lot people disappointed with the results. If subjective calls are going to be reviewed then it should be done by a 3rd party, IE not the people who made the original call.

 

[AnimeAmore]

I’ll be honest, I think it’s ridiculous that a referee can blow the whistle and things after that can still count. Makes no sense to me.

It was a necessary compromise. There were too many plays where the refs incorrectly blew the whistle, and it prevented the play from counting.
I could be wrong, but I think it's an exception for certain calls, and requires obvious evidence. It allows for certain critical plays to stand.

If all NFL players made it a habit of having the closest player grab the ball "after" every play, then the refs wouldn't play as big a role. The only thing that makes the play unfair in any way is that after a whistle blows some/most/all players stop playing, so it's weird to count the play after the whistle. However, if a ram had grabbed the ball out of habit then the 2pt wouldn't have counted.

These are professional players, and they don't have a professional attitude. Closest player grabs the ball on *every* play. Chew out players in the film room who don't do it. Problem solved from both sides of the ball.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Like I said before, Rams players were too busy celebrating and posing to seem to care about where the ball was.

To the Clams, I say "suck it up, buttercup"

 

[flv2]

...There is no great solution to this specific play outside of calling a live ball dead in certain instances which opens up a huge can of worms.

The NFL could rule that any incomplete pass - which landed forward of the point from where it was thrown that was touched by an opponent before landing - as an incomplete forward pass. This would also clarify situations where it's not clear whether the initial pass was forward, lateral, or backwards.

 

[flv2]

This particular game wasn't decided by the 2 point conversion unless we use hindsight. There were still multiple opportunities for points at the end of this game. If down by 2 then Seattle would have been more aggressive with their last two regular time possessions. They may have scored a TD to go-ahead if the Rams did make the FG.

The problem is that McVay and some Rams players and fans are treating this play like the score would have ended up 30-28 and we don't know that to be true.

Agreed. Again, the play was legal under current rules. It didn't decide the game, nor did the punt return TD, or the TD scored by the Seahawks in OT. Ultimately the game came down to a 2-point conversion in OT. All plays prior to that point played a part. Most HCs are upset after a close loss. No complaint from me.

I would also say that your argument applied in a certain Rams @ Saints game.

 

[DTiempo81]

The NFL could rule that any incomplete pass - which landed forward of the point from where it was thrown that was touched by an opponent before landing - as an incomplete forward pass. This would also clarify situations where it's not clear whether the initial pass was forward, lateral, or backwards.

So if the defense recovers that ball and returns it for a score, you want to screw over the defense by ruling that an incomplete pass? Makes no sense. You are coming at this from wanting to "fix" the outcome of that particular 2 point conversion, which is not how rules should be made. That have to have a universal application that aims to make the most fair outcome the most likely outcome.

This is just sour grapes from a Rams fan. Just because you were on the losing end of a rare situation doesn't mean you should be looking to change the rules. It's weak sauce. Just because your coach is acting like a baby doesn't mean you have to support him.

 

[ivotuk]

His statement that the play should end as soon as the defense "rejects" the extra point attempt is silly.

On a PAT, everyone knows that if the kick is blocked (rejected) that the defense can pick it up and score. It's a live ball. It's no different on a two point conversion - it's live until the ball is downed.

Great way to put an exclamation point on the (winning) argument. Rule on PATs, 2 point conversion is pretty much "live ball" unless it is a forward pass that was incomplete.

And like kidhawk said, it wasn't a fumble. Someone has to possess the ball, then lose it for it to be a fumble.

 

[DTiempo81]

The Rams benefitted from the missed PI.
The Seahawks benefitted from the Fail Mary.

Well, one was a blown call (missed PI) and the other was the right call (Hail Mary). The hail mary play was another instance of fans not knowing how to properly apply the rules of the game, and complaining about it despite the fact that there was clear video evidence showing that it was the right call.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I’ll be honest, I think it’s ridiculous that a referee can blow the whistle and things after that can still count. Makes no sense to me.

Well, it's STILL the rule. And it has been made known several times since. Blown whistle or not, they got it right.

 

[ivotuk]

Well, one was a blown call (missed PI) and the other was the right call (Hail Mary). The hail mary play was another instance of fans not knowing how to properly apply the rules of the game, and complaining about it despite the fact that there was clear video evidence showing that it was the right call.

They both were involved in the catch, and the rule states that it goes to the offense.

 

[BDD222]

So if the defense recovers that ball and returns it for a score, you want to screw over the defense by ruling that an incomplete pass? Makes no sense. You are coming at this from wanting to "fix" the outcome of that particular 2 point conversion, which is not how rules should be made. That have to have a universal application that aims to make the most fair outcome the most likely outcome.

This is just sour grapes from a Rams fan. Just because you were on the losing end of a rare situation doesn't mean you should be looking to change the rules. It's weak sauce. Just because your coach is acting like a baby doesn't mean you have to support him.

McVay will bring it up again 12 years later in an on-field post game interview.

 

[Hawkstud]

"On Friday, Rams coach Sean McVay argued that the outcome is something that shouldn’t be in the game, adding that he believes there will be an effort to change the rule that fueled the play in the offseason."

"Per a source with knowledge of the broader dynamics at play, a change to the backward pass rule is highly unlikely."

Sean McOivay wants that change until it comes up in a game favoring HIS team, then he'll want the rule reinstated. lol

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Facts ^^^