MORGULON
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2 guards per team , actually more with players substituting .
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He plays for the Seahawks still? I was clearly referring to him while in Seattle.
People way overrate tackle numbers regardless.
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And I was clearly pointing out that on a new team and scheme he is having the kind of success that somewhat eluded him here. He is outperforming his contract.
That would suggest the problem in Seattle wasn’t the player.
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He had some embarrassing wiffs in the Falcons game... guess he's doing great else where? The problem is do they actually grade when his massive wifs are like.... ya know.. like when we need that play to be executed and not him stare off and block... literally no one... at least 4 times against Atlanta
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And I would say it WAS the player if he doesn't fit the scheme.
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I'm sure it had nothing to do with Hurtt, and a Seahawks defense that went from 12th under Norton Jr in '21 to 25th in '22 and '23, under Hurtt.
Hurtt had the pieces, he just didn't know how to put them together. It wasn't that Brooks was a bad player who didn't fit the scheme, it was that the scheme was shit. Norton Jr's scheme wasn't great either, but it was certainly better than Hurtt's, and let's be honest, they were both implementations of Carroll's outdated scheme and philosophy.
Though he never quite lived up to his draft position, Brooks was a solid contributor.
Starting only 6 games in his rookie 2020 season, his performance was limited but good. He was named to the NFL All Rookie Team.
In '21, his only full year under Norton Jr, he started every game, and set the Seahawks franchise record for both tackles at 184, and solo tackles at 109, records he still holds. He tied the franchise record for tackles in a single game, at 20. The overall defense was problematic, giving up a league worst yards allowed.
In '22, his first year under Hurtt, he once again led the team in tackles, and solo tackles, despite tearing his ACL in the penultimate game. The team declined to pick up his fifth year option, a reasonable call.
'23 saw the return of Bobby Wagner, who led the team in tackles for the season. Brooks had a remarkable recovery from his ACL tear. He was originally slated to return mid-season, but started the season opener. He came in second for tackles that season, partially due to the recovery, and partially because he missed two games, due to injury of his other leg.
Probably the most damning thing to be said about him was that he was not retained by MM.
But there is little appreciation for subtlety and nuance on this site. When I say Bradford and Brooks aren't as bad as people make them out to be, people respond as if I said they were all-pros. Jordyn underperformed his draft position, but probably wasn't worth what the Dolphins were willing to pay. In retrospect, his performance has matched the contract they paid him. I would still rather have EJIV at only 750k APY more, but he is hugely underpaid.
Hurtt had the pieces, he just didn't know how to put them together. It wasn't that Brooks was a bad player who didn't fit the scheme, it was that the scheme was shit. Norton Jr's scheme wasn't great either, but it was certainly better than Hurtt's, and let's be honest, they were both implementations of Carroll's outdated scheme and philosophy.
Though he never quite lived up to his draft position, Brooks was a solid contributor.
Starting only 6 games in his rookie 2020 season, his performance was limited but good. He was named to the NFL All Rookie Team.
In '21, his only full year under Norton Jr, he started every game, and set the Seahawks franchise record for both tackles at 184, and solo tackles at 109, records he still holds. He tied the franchise record for tackles in a single game, at 20. The overall defense was problematic, giving up a league worst yards allowed.
In '22, his first year under Hurtt, he once again led the team in tackles, and solo tackles, despite tearing his ACL in the penultimate game. The team declined to pick up his fifth year option, a reasonable call.
'23 saw the return of Bobby Wagner, who led the team in tackles for the season. Brooks had a remarkable recovery from his ACL tear. He was originally slated to return mid-season, but started the season opener. He came in second for tackles that season, partially due to the recovery, and partially because he missed two games, due to injury of his other leg.
Probably the most damning thing to be said about him was that he was not retained by MM.
But there is little appreciation for subtlety and nuance on this site. When I say Bradford and Brooks aren't as bad as people make them out to be, people respond as if I said they were all-pros. Jordyn underperformed his draft position, but probably wasn't worth what the Dolphins were willing to pay. In retrospect, his performance has matched the contract they paid him. I would still rather have EJIV at only 750k APY more, but he is hugely underpaid.
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I'm not sure if this was discussed, but, I read somewhere, where Sundell with his versatility might be slotted at RT, can't remember where I read that... probably some BS off of FB.
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Bradford sucks
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Damn... just missed the cutoff.
Leading the league in Tackles... as a MLB... when your team is always down therefore the other team is running the ball constantly?
You realize thats a highly misleading stat yes?
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You know, it’s not the things we don’t know that get us into trouble, it’s the things we know that just aren’t so. Miami hasn’t been “always down” this season.
A modicum of research would have shown that there haven’t been many teams in a position to run out the clock against them.
In only 3 of the Dolphins’ 13 games have opponents led by more than 10 points going into the 4th quarter, thus putting them in that position to “run the ball constantly” — Colts, Browns, and Ravens.
Inexplicably, the Browns kept passing the ball, despite being in a position to run down the clock. They rushed 10 times and passed 12, after going up 24-6, giving the Dolphins only 2 games in which opponents “ran the ball constantly.”
9 of their games were either within 1 score, or the Dolphins led by two or more scores, at the start of the 4th quarter.
In the one game where an opponent lead by exactly 10 points at the start of the 4th quarter, the Chargers ran a balanced attack, rushing 7 times and passing 6. Brooks injured his neck during the game anyway, so did not contribute in the 4th quarter. No padded stats there.
Yes, it is a stat that can be misleadingly used. While it is true that the league leader is frequently a good player on a shit defense, it is also true that no one who leads the league in tackles absolutely sucks, no matter how bad a team they play for.
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Game log for reference.
Colts. 23-0 going into the 4th quarter. Colts won 33-8.
Patriots 23-20 going into the 4th qtr. Lost 33-27.
Bills 21-14 going into 4th qtr Lost 21-31.
Jets - Miami up by 14 going into 4th quarter. Won 27-21.
Panthers - 17-13 going into the 4th quarter. Lost 24-27.
Chargers - 23-13 going into the 4th quarter. Lost 29-27.
Browns - 24-6 going into the 4th quarter. Lost 31-6.
Falcons - Dolphins leading 24-3 going into the 4th quarter. Won 34-10.
Ravens - 28-6 going into the 4th quarter. Lost 28-6.
Bills - Dolphins up 16-0 going into the 4th quarter. Won 30-13
Commanders - 13-6 going into the 4th quarter. Won 16-13 in OT.
Saints. 16-8 going into the 4th quarter. Won 21-17
Jets - Dolphins up 24-7 going into the 4th quarter. Won 34-10
Colts. 23-0 going into the 4th quarter. Colts won 33-8.
Patriots 23-20 going into the 4th qtr. Lost 33-27.
Bills 21-14 going into 4th qtr Lost 21-31.
Jets - Miami up by 14 going into 4th quarter. Won 27-21.
Panthers - 17-13 going into the 4th quarter. Lost 24-27.
Chargers - 23-13 going into the 4th quarter. Lost 29-27.
Browns - 24-6 going into the 4th quarter. Lost 31-6.
Falcons - Dolphins leading 24-3 going into the 4th quarter. Won 34-10.
Ravens - 28-6 going into the 4th quarter. Lost 28-6.
Bills - Dolphins up 16-0 going into the 4th quarter. Won 30-13
Commanders - 13-6 going into the 4th quarter. Won 16-13 in OT.
Saints. 16-8 going into the 4th quarter. Won 21-17
Jets - Dolphins up 24-7 going into the 4th quarter. Won 34-10
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Anyway. I’m done defending Brooks, who isn’t even a Seahawk anymore.
Went back and watched the Falcons game All-22, and Bradford appears to have had the best game of all the offensive linemen.
Dude is just being unfairly criticized at this point. Dot Net’s whipping boy for 2025.
Went back and watched the Falcons game All-22, and Bradford appears to have had the best game of all the offensive linemen.
Dude is just being unfairly criticized at this point. Dot Net’s whipping boy for 2025.
How misleading is it really? Bobby Wagner has lead the league in tackles 3 times, Ray Lewis lead the league in tackles 3 times. Derrick Brooks lead the league in tackles 3 times. Patrick Willis lead the league in tackles twice, Zach Thomas lead the league in tackles twice. Luke Kuechly lead the league in tackles twice. And most recently, Foyesade Oluokun led the league in tackles twice.
I'd say that if he finishes the league with most tackles for the 2nd time in his career - as a stat for a MLB - it's not bad company to be in. Certainly don't see any scrubs on that list.
