Russ Being, Real?

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Exactly - that's the spirit! We're gonna have fun this year, and there will be surprises.

I honestly think we're going to get 10+ wins this season. I expect to have this post revisited, and ensuing tar and feathering, or deserved Nostradamus-like comparisons.
 
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RW was a top shelf QB in his prime on a HOF trajectory. He was one of the most elusive/backyard/broken play (though he himself often broke the plays) QB's I've ever seen, in the select company of guys like Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick, and Steve Young in that way. How many opposing head coaches, defensive coordinators, defenders, and fans did he drive out of their minds scrambling for first downs or hitting receivers down field on extended plays like he was pulling rabbits out of a hat. He had this combination of maddening elusiveness, ability to spot receivers on the run, and the arm to deliver it which at times I thought was the best I'd ever seen in that particular way, a magician.

But the day was going to come when he physically just couldn't effectively play that style of football anymore. He needed to change or evolve his style of play and become more of a system QB, but he either couldn't, or refused to do so, and it became increasingly apparent to coaches, teammates, and fans alike.

I think RW was always generally perceived to possess a corny, overly manicured, emotionally inauthentic personality on some level by many of his teammates and fans of the team. It seemed like everything that came out of his mouth was well rehearsed, some sunny cliche, religious platitude, or motivational phrase from a self help book. It was enough to make you wonder if this person was real, or if he was just a robotic amalgamation of how he wanted to be perceived.

I think all this weird personality stuff was fine or tolerated as long as he was able to perform and deliver at a high level on the field. But it certainly became clear in Denver and then Pittsburgh that his schtick was falling on collective deaf ears. The act had grown tiringly annoying, like some bad song playing on an endless loop in your head.

There definitely was a shift that started taking place in RW's mind, where hubris started superseding whatever innocence and well meaningness he had brought to his public life. The marriage to Ciarra and wanting to become a power couple like Jay-Z and Beyonce, the let-Russ-cook thing, the behind the scenes machinations to get rid of coaches and management, the private offices and other things in Denver that cloistered him in an air of entitlement, the wanting to be seen at chic events amongst high profile celebrities, etc, etc...

I think the reason people/Seahawk fans pay him more attention than he probably deserves is because he's such a strange guy with an equally strange and transparent story arc. It's kind of funny that the probable end of the road for him as an NFL QB is going to take place in the bright lights of NYC. It could be harsh.
 
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RW was a top shelf QB in his prime on a HOF trajectory. He was one of the most elusive/backyard/broken play (though he himself often broke the plays) QB's I've ever seen, in the select company of guys like Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick, and Steve Young in that way. How many opposing head coaches, defensive coordinators, defenders, and fans did he drive out of their minds scrambling for first downs or hitting receivers down field on extended plays like he was pulling rabbits out of a hat. He had this combination of maddening elusiveness, ability to spot receivers on the run, and the arm to deliver it which at times I thought was the best I'd ever seen in that particular way, a magician.

But the day was going to come when he physically just couldn't effectively play that style of football anymore. He needed to change or evolve his style of play and become more of a system QB, but he either couldn't, or refused to do so, and it became increasingly apparent to coaches, teammates, and fans alike.

I think RW was always generally perceived to possess a corny, overly manicured, emotionally inauthentic personality on some level by many of his teammates and fans of the team. It seemed like everything that came out of his mouth was well rehearsed, some sunny cliche, religious platitude, or motivational phrase from a self help book. It was enough to make you wonder if this person was real, or if he was just a robotic amalgamation of how he wanted to be perceived.

I think all this weird personality stuff was fine or tolerated as long as he was able to perform and deliver at a high level on the field. But it certainly became clear in Denver and then Pittsburgh that his schtick was falling on collective deaf ears. The act had grown tiringly annoying, like some bad song playing on an endless loop in your head.

There definitely was a shift that started taking place in RW's mind, where hubris started superseding whatever innocence and well meaningness he had brought to his public life. The marriage to Ciarra and wanting to become a power couple like Jay-Z and Beyonce, the let-Russ-cook thing, the behind the scenes machinations to get rid of coaches and management, the private offices and other things in Denver that cloistered him in an air of entitlement, the wanting to be seen at chic events amongst high profile celebrities, etc, etc...

I think the reason people/Seahawk fans pay him more attention than he probably deserves is because he's such a strange guy with an equally strange and transparent story arc. It's kind of funny that the probable end of the road for him as an NFL QB is going to take place in the bright lights of NYC. It could be harsh.

Damn well said. One of the better synopsis of Russell I've read. Well done.
 

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I found it interesting that he still doesn't take any responsibility for the SB loss. His language: " we did not win", "play didn't work", "play didn't go our way", and then right back to self-glorification.

I respect what he does in the community, but it just doesn't jibe with the whole, "God chose me for this, and f' everyone else" attitude.
He's not the only one either. Bevell is first in line, IMO. Has Bevell taken any responsibility?
 

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Better gas up the Waaaaaaahmbulance, here come the x girlfriends. You haven't heard ONE guy on that defense acknowledge giving up a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter, not one. But somehow, it's only RUSS who is in denial. You guys crack me up. The gift that keeps on giving, several years later. It's a blast reading all the hurt feels about the guy.

/sarcasm
The Seahawks defense played their hearts out in that game. Sherman was playing with one arm (his elbow needed surgery), Kam had a torn MCL, ET had a dislocated shoulder, then Jeremy Lane broke his arm and Avril was ruled out on a concussion during the game.

Meanwhile the offense, sitting on a 10 point lead, ran 3 straight 3 and outs. The first drive ending on a 3rd and 2 when Russ threw it deep. The second drive ending on 3rd and 7 when Russ took a sack. The 3rd drive ending on 3rd and 5 when Russ missed Marshawn out of the backfield. And the only reason we talk about the goal line pick is because Butler didn't pick off Russ' other errant pass to Kearse (who made a miraculous catch off the tip) two plays earlier.

So yeah, I'm good with giving the defense a pass and putting the loss on Russ and the offense. And if they had owned up maybe the team would not have imploded afterwards like it did.
 

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Its goofy. The dude played hurt, never complained, never gave up and played hard even if they were down 30 at half like the Carolina game and was a warrior. I get people being mad at the ending even if I see it differently but what gets me is the revisionist history where they claim he wasn't great or didnt play his ass off for a decade. Those dudes come off as angy ex-girlfriends and it looks silly on their part. You can actively root he's terrible since he left, I totally get it....but dont tell me he wasn't a monster in his prime.
Down by 30 because? He played shit in that first half with a pick 6 and zero
points.
He tried to hero ball it out in the second half and came up short..
It was his doing in the first place that they were down.. Meh
While people ooh and ah over comebacks, they forget that he put
them behind pretty much in the first place.
That GB game with how many picks? Another example but thanks to
John Ryan and STs to pull out the win.
 

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That GB game with how many picks? Another example but thanks to
John Ryan and STs to pull out the win.
To be fair... the way I remember it... those picks were really on Kearse.

I could be wrong... but that's my recollection.
 

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Here's a quick breakdown to jog your memory:

ReasonDescription
On-field frustrationHolds ball too long, takes sacks, misses open receivers, Super Bowl XLIX interception
Locker room divisionPerceived favoritism, coddling from coaches, lack of connection with teammates, public criticism from ex-teammates
Off-field dramaLeaked stories about management, push for coach/GM firing, pushing for trade request privately, while lying to fans publicly about wanting to stay (two-faced)
Personality/perception"Corny" persona, focus on branding, seen as inauthentic or robotic
Ego and brand focusprioritizing personal brand and accolades over team goals, personal charity organization funding salaries instead of actual charitable work

For me, the cardinal sin was putting himself above the team. Trying to win MVP by playing hero ball instead of doing what was best for the team (such as hitting the open check down, or rushing for the first down). This was after the FO made him the highest paid QB at the time, too. Got the big contract, but failed to deliver.

Hass on the other hand, clearly not the best franchise QB, but far more likeable.

All of that is debatable and comes from one side. Anybody can make a bigger list of the positives.
 

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To be fair... the way I remember it... those picks were really on Kearse.

I could be wrong... but that's my recollection.
Which game?
Also take in consideration when in sandlot, all the routes are broken off.
It's easier to have TO's happen.
Kearse, if I remember couldn't catch anything high.
 

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RW was a top shelf QB in his prime on a HOF trajectory. He was one of the most elusive/backyard/broken play (though he himself often broke the plays) QB's I've ever seen, in the select company of guys like Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick, and Steve Young in that way. How many opposing head coaches, defensive coordinators, defenders, and fans did he drive out of their minds scrambling for first downs or hitting receivers down field on extended plays like he was pulling rabbits out of a hat. He had this combination of maddening elusiveness, ability to spot receivers on the run, and the arm to deliver it which at times I thought was the best I'd ever seen in that particular way, a magician.

But the day was going to come when he physically just couldn't effectively play that style of football anymore. He needed to change or evolve his style of play and become more of a system QB, but he either couldn't, or refused to do so, and it became increasingly apparent to coaches, teammates, and fans alike.

I think RW was always generally perceived to possess a corny, overly manicured, emotionally inauthentic personality on some level by many of his teammates and fans of the team. It seemed like everything that came out of his mouth was well rehearsed, some sunny cliche, religious platitude, or motivational phrase from a self help book. It was enough to make you wonder if this person was real, or if he was just a robotic amalgamation of how he wanted to be perceived.

I think all this weird personality stuff was fine or tolerated as long as he was able to perform and deliver at a high level on the field. But it certainly became clear in Denver and then Pittsburgh that his schtick was falling on collective deaf ears. The act had grown tiringly annoying, like some bad song playing on an endless loop in your head.

There definitely was a shift that started taking place in RW's mind, where hubris started superseding whatever innocence and well meaningness he had brought to his public life. The marriage to Ciarra and wanting to become a power couple like Jay-Z and Beyonce, the let-Russ-cook thing, the behind the scenes machinations to get rid of coaches and management, the private offices and other things in Denver that cloistered him in an air of entitlement, the wanting to be seen at chic events amongst high profile celebrities, etc, etc...

I think the reason people/Seahawk fans pay him more attention than he probably deserves is because he's such a strange guy with an equally strange and transparent story arc. It's kind of funny that the probable end of the road for him as an NFL QB is going to take place in the bright lights of NYC. It could be harsh.
Mostly this ^^^

Funny - I hadn't even thought of him in like 6 or 8 months. After Denver I just straight up stopped caring.

Pre Ciara Russ? Liked that Dude. Post Ciara Russ - couldn't stand that idiot.

Just glad he's gone at this point, and it doesn't even matter.
 

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Never forget - The franchices best QB ever was Satan.

It will always blow my mind that he is so hated by such a large group of fans.
I totally respect what he did for the Seahawks on the field, but the manner in which he manipulated and undermined the entire team and so many other people was just despicable. He was/is a slimy, delusional, disingenuous, self centered, backstabbing fraud all while portraying himself as exactly the opposite of that.

Best QB in team history. Biggest dirtbag in team history. Both can be true, and they are.
 

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Which game?
Also take in consideration when in sandlot, all the routes are broken off.
It's easier to have TO's happen.
Kearse, if I remember couldn't catch anything high.
2014 NFC Championship Game against Green Bay at home.

Russ had 4 INTs... and at least two, if not three, hit Kearse's hands.
 

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Pre Ciara Russ? Liked that Dude. Post Ciara Russ - couldn't stand that idiot.
nah, Ciara has been good to Wilson. She brought Hollywood connections to Wilson, willingly stripped 90% naked in public for him, entertained Payton for him, baby mama for him. She did everything a wife can do for her husband, can't ask for more.
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I totally respect what he did for the Seahawks on the field, but the manner in which he manipulated and undermined the entire team and so many other people was just despicable. He was/is a slimy, delusional, disingenuous, self centered, backstabbing fraud all while portraying himself as exactly the opposite of that.

Best QB in team history. Biggest dirtbag in team history. Both can be true, and they are.

To each their own. I see a guy who recognized problems with the staff and took action to change it because he knew that was the only way anything would change. Oh well.
 

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I’ll say this about Russ, I did not like how he chose to end things here. I’m over that now. It can’t really root for him. I want his greatest successes to be his time here. One day I want him to sign a one day deal and retire a Seahawk and join the ring.
 

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I won't change your mind but I've heard multiple players who I trust more than Sherman and Baldwin who see it differently as well as people close to the team but people are free to believe what they want as none of us have the full picture. I think Russ definitely deserves some of the blame but it wasn't all him.
Yup, a lot of heads got really big thinking they were the sole reason for the Super Bowl win. Including Pete’s .
 
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