Top Billing on Sam Darnold

[glenwo2]

Darnold has a John63 or whatever his name was....

????

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Darnold has a John63 or whatever his name was....

Guess we shouldn't be surprised.

 

[glenwo2]

what in the wild world of sports are you guys talking about?

 

[JPatera76]

Sam Darnold is Schneider's QB

There is no QBOTF coming through the draft this year

www.seasidejoe.com

Nice article but....there is an out after the 2025 season so it's not really 65 million committed to Darnold (though if he plays well enough, it will be).

But I get the gist of it as far as JS goes.

the irony behind that article... why wont they say the same as Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson.

 

[glenwo2]

the irony behind that article... why wont they say the same as Matt Flynn and Russell Wilson.

I mean...Russell Wilson was Pete's guy from what I read there.

The article is suggesting that Darnold is JS's guy.


Matt Flynn, i guess, doesn't exist probably because he was a 7th round pick and not a #3 Pick in the draft like Darnold was.

 

[JPatera76]

I mean...Russell Wilson was Pete's guy from what I read there.

The article is suggesting that Darnold is JS's guy.


Matt Flynn, i guess, doesn't exist probably because he was a 7th round pick and not a #3 Pick in the draft like Darnold was.

matt flynn was signed to a pretty decently sized contract just for seattle to draft a QB, i guess is what i was trying to say. i mean not that it matters, people remember what they want and how they want.

 

[glenwo2]

matt flynn was signed to a pretty decently sized contract just for seattle to draft a QB, i guess is what i was trying to say. i mean not that it matters, people remember what they want and how they want.

Well I was a bit confused as I didn't know what you were trying to say so....

consider me ENLIGHTENED, good sir.

 

[Smellyman]

I mean...Russell Wilson was Pete's guy from what I read there.

The article is suggesting that Darnold is JS's guy.


Matt Flynn, i guess, doesn't exist probably because he was a 7th round pick and not a #3 Pick in the draft like Darnold was.

and Schneider had to convince Carroll to draft Wilson

 

[SonicHawk]

I genuinely feel like the Darnold question is moot without a significant improvement in the offensive line.

 

[keasley45]

He had almost as many touchdowns last year as Geno has the past two years. He’s more than “can make some big boy throws” at times.

If he’s 7 years younger, cheaper so you can invest in other areas and a “lateral” move I have no clue why you don’t seem to like it and would rather pay more for a guy in his mid 30’s. Seems like a fairly smart risk to take by Seattle to me.

Now hopefully John strikes gold in the draft and helps the line because if not Darnold may put up similar numbers to what Geno did last year. My guess is Kubiak makes the line better all on his own and a couple of pieces and this line surprises people next year

Sam Darnold is only a reasonable option bevause he is cheaper and hedges against not being able to build a better team overall over the next 2 years if your qb isnt top 10 and getting paid as such.

By every metric that measure pure accuracy, being able to perform under pressure, Darnold isnt as good as Geno. Folks can point to geno's TDs last year and say - he cant handle pressure and makes mistakes when it comes. Especially in the redzone. That analysis completely ignores the OC and gives the guy a pass when the NFL literally said 'no thanks'to him in 2025 and ushered him back to college. It also ignores geno going 33 v 2 in the redzone prior to Grubb but still with an OC that cant get a job as such in the NFL anymore. Need more convincing? The Raiders had the option to grab Darnold. Tom Brady, who by all accounts has plenty of opinion and say in the shaping of the franchise and knows QBs, chose instead to go with Geno and surrender draft capital to do it.

Darnold put up comperable stats with a run game that ranked 9 spots better, a better O line and a far superior play caller. In other words, he was given tools that SHOULD have seen him perform FAR superior than what our last QB did and he didnt. The fact that we are hoping its a lateral move is all you need to know about the situation. And more telling, the fact that Minny was tbought to be ready to annoint JJ qb1 with Darnold moving on and yet they now seem more inclined to bring ANOTHER qb to play ahead of him says that they just werent high on Sam. Why?

Maybe this is the reason?



FF to about 4 minutes to understand his shortcomings. Skip to around 6:45 to understand the difference between Geno and Darnold.

And note that this is a video praising the move.

I am hoping the dude 1., with an offense that wont rely on him to do even close to what he had to do in Minny or what Geno was asked to here, and 2. With a philosophy that puts defense first, floursihes and can be a better Dave Kreig in helpinh this team win. Or shoot, just be a better Russell Wilson circa 2013 at reading defense and just let the run game and D be the focus of the team.

If the O line is anywhere near as bad as last year, we dont sniff 9 wins with Darnold.

 

[glenwo2]

Sam Darnold is only a reasonable option bevause he is cheaper and hedges against not being able to build a better team overall over the next 2 years if your qb isnt top 10 and getting paid as such.

I think he's a reasonable option because he's cheaper AND 7 YEARS YOUNGER than Geno. Let's not sweep that under the rug.

If Sam was 35 like Geno, I'm not sure he'd be a Hawk.

JS obviously believes there is a CHANCE (just a chance) that Sam puts it all together and ends up being The Guy for the Hawks.

The contract he gave Sam, at the same time, was a case of hedging his bets in case Sam wasn't the guy and that he can move on from him sooner rather than later if things don't work out.

By every metric that measure pure accuracy, being able to perform under pressure, Darnold isnt as good as Geno. Folks can point to geno's TDs last year and say - he cant handle pressure and makes mistakes when it comes. Especially in the redzone. That analysis completely ignores the OC and gives the guy a pass when the NFL literally said 'no thanks'to him in 2025 and ushered him back to college. It also ignores geno going 33 v 2 in the redzone prior to Grubb but still with an OC that cant get a job as such in the NFL anymore. Need more convincing? The Raiders had the option to grab Darnold. Tom Brady, who by all accounts has plenty of opinion and say in the shaping of the franchise and knows QBs, chose instead to go with Geno and surrender draft capital to do it.

I was surprised that the Raiders didn't grab Darnold but maybe the Raiders tried to but wanted to just give him a 1-year deal like Minny did which, if I'm Darnold who just had an outstanding season, I would view it as a slap to the face.

I think Sam is here because he was at least semi-guaranteed a starting role in more than one season.

This is probably why he accepted such a Pro-Seahawk-slanted deal.

He probably knows that if he performs well, he'll be the starter the following season and so forth.

Darnold put up comperable stats with a run game that ranked 9 spots better, a better O line and a far superior play caller.

That run game wasn't all that effective.

Aaron Jones wore down pretty quickly over the course of the season and they had to rely on Sam throwing the ball more.

Also, the O Line was a bit overrated.

Sam Darnold made it look better than it actually was with his movement / navigation of the pocket, buying time to throw the deep ball or whatever pass he was attempting.

When Darrisaw went down, he had an underachieving Cam Robinson(now on another team), Garrett Bradbury (who gave up a Career High 39 QB pressures; and was released), and Ed Engram (who has been poor in Pass-Protect; on another team now).

Yet from what I saw, the team didn't miss much of a beat after Darrisaw went down. Why? Well it wasn't because Bradbury and Engram all of a sudden had a talent boost (as if this was Madden). It was because of Darnold (who is constantly being underestimated by everyone).

KOC, I'll give you but he got his ass outcoached in the Rams game. Even Vikings fans would tell you that.

In other words, he was given tools that SHOULD have seen him perform FAR superior than what our last QB did and he didnt. The fact that we are hoping its a lateral move is all you need to know about the situation. And more telling, the fact that Minny was tbought to be ready to annoint JJ qb1 with Darnold moving on and yet they now seem more inclined to bring ANOTHER qb to play ahead of him says that they just werent high on Sam. Why?

Maybe this is the reason?

Minny was inclined to annoint JJ because that was always the plan from the beginning, keasley.

When they signed Darnold, they told him they would draft a QB.

So it was understood that Sam's time there was limited.

It would've taken Sam more than likely getting them to the SuperBowl (if not outright winning it) for them to pivot away from the JJ McCarthy plan and switch to Darnold as their QBOTF (or Present).

FF to about 4 minutes to understand his shortcomings. Skip to around 6:45 to understand the difference between Geno and Darnold.

And note that this is a video praising the move.

I am hoping the dude 1., with an offense that wont rely on him to do even close to what he had to do in Minny or what Geno was asked to here, and 2. With a philosophy that puts defense first, floursihes and can be a better Dave Kreig in helpinh this team win. Or shoot, just be a better Russell Wilson circa 2013 at reading defense and just let the run game and D be the focus of the team.

If the O line is anywhere near as bad as last year, we dont sniff 9 wins with Darnold.

He's got his warts and he's got his strengths much like ANY QB out there that isn't a freak like Josh Allen.

I also hope the offense won't need him to be The Man too often but there will come a time where he will need to make those big throws.

It's the NFL.

Put Up or Shut Up time, basically.

As far as the OL goes, I looked at highlights of Geno and his throws and didn't see much of a difference from the Minny OL post-Darrisaw-Injury and the bad Seattle OL people are clutching their pearls about.

I think Sam will be able to make it work (though I do still hope that JS "hits" on all of the draft picks, in particular the OL, so Sam won't have to "make it work" all that much).

 

[Scout]

I genuinely feel like the Darnold question is moot without a significant improvement in the offensive line.

You are not alone because the offense has way too many question marks compared to the defense.

 

[glenwo2]

You are not alone because the offense has way too many question marks compared to the defense.

We will have a better idea on where they're at after the Draft, imo.

 

[ivotuk]

You are right, my bad.

Hence the rejection...
Imaginary conversation: "Should we sign Darnold?"
Mcvay: "I reject such a notion!"

 

[Scout]

I genuinely feel like the Darnold question is moot without a significant improvement in the offensive line.

Well I think it is more honest to say you need to improve LG and OC and then add a young talented WR that can stretch the field. Will JS do it or will he squander the bounty of draft picks he has on pet projects and adding more depth to a defense which is already elite on paper top to bottom?

 

[gmor]

Well I think it is more honest to say you need to improve LG and OC and then add a young talented WR that can stretch the field. Will JS do it or will he squander the bounty of draft picks he has on pet projects and adding more depth to a defense which is already elite on paper top to bottom?

LG for sure. Olu was ok imo and should improve this year. Sundell looks promising as well. Should be able to grab one of the good WRs with 50 or 52. Grabbing a good TE early would be wise as Fant in heading into his last year.

 

[toffee]

Tom Brady, who by all accounts has plenty of opinion and say in the shaping of the franchise and knows QBs, chose instead to go with Geno and surrender draft capital to do it.

The Raiders surprised me. I can see why Pete wanted Geno, but how did he convince Brady and Chip? Very little doubt that Darnold was available at that point. How did Brady, and Chip Kelly come to their decision to endorse Pete?

 

[keasley45]

The Raiders surprised me. I can see why Pete wanted Geno, but how did he convince Brady and Chip? Very little doubt that Darnold was available at that point. How did Brady, and Chip Kelly come to their decision to endorse Pete?

Well, to argue that they dont know goos qb play would be silly. Tom isnt going to just endorse giving up draft capital and throwing money at a dead end proposotion at the most important position on the field.

They know what they are getting and were fine giving up what they did to get him. Says a lot on my opinion. Especially when they were free to grab Darnold on the cheap and for the long term if Brady wanted him.

Funny how PC, so long derided for only wanting a qb who could hand off the ball and throw deep on PA, when given free choice, skipped over the guy (Darnold) who if anything has shown he can at least do that, in favor of a qb who can (and likely wants to) toss the ball all over the yard.

Brady, Chip and Pete said no thanks to the 'QBOTF' , cheaper, 'safer' option in Darnold and instead went with 'old man' Smith in their quest to build a winner.

Meanwhile in Seattle, we throw 'plus-side' journeyman money at Darnold and structure a contract that shows how much confidence we have in our decision by giving ourselves the option to dump him after a year.

Awesome. Great to see how much faith the leadership has in their decision making in nailing down THE key piece on a team that was beyond ready to make a playoff push.

 

[Ozzy]

I still think the metrics showing Geno is great is shortsighted. We all agree he is ultra accurate, can make every throw etc. We can blame everyone but him for his mid 20's QBR, terrible touchdown and INT numbers but its all a part of the equation with Geno who was also going on 35 years old and has 1 great year and has regressed since then. He was super lucky his ints in the red zone weren't a whole lot worse and many of those had NOTHING to do with play calling or line play, he just froze and made some terrible decisions. It just feels like every time I read a defense of why Geno should still be here or he is great they always leave out parts of the equation. He was a great story but Seattle was smart not to pay him 50 million or whatever he wanted and it looks like the Raiders are running into a similar problem right now since they can't agree on a contract.

 

[beaumaris]

I just now put together that both our QBs right now are named Sam.

Good afternoon,sleepy head.