Geno Smith Time in Pocket: Tied for 15th in NFL

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt. That kid is special. I thought it would take him a little longer to get it in the NFL. Couldn't have been more wrong.

 

[Maelstrom787]

This stat is not a reflection of how much time a quarterback has in the pocket before pressure arrives. This stat is a reflection of how long a quarterback is in the pocket, on average, before the play ends or they leave the pocket.

Quarterbacks who are quick to throw will have a lower pocket time. Quarterbacks who operate in offenses with more long-developing plays will have a higher pocket time.

This isn't the stat you think it is.

That's not even Geno defense. That's just factual.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Hurts is a hell of a lot better QB. And he's going to his 2nd super bowl in 3 seasons. geDIOCRE hasn't won a single playoff game, and where are the wins against the BEST teams? His record against teams above .500 should be listed on there along with Hurts.

But it's yet another GREAT illustration that Stats don't mean squat. I'll take the winner every time, over padded stats between the 20's and in garbage time. Throw for all the yards and TD's you want, if you don't win the big games, why does it matter what numbers you put up?

Perfect example: Kirk Cousins. Ridiculous stats year after year..........ONE playoff win. ONE.

Here's the deal, though:

Geno would probably look quite a bit better if he had a generational offensive line and an unstoppable rushing attack.

 

[Spin Doctor]

^Can he win a playoff game?
View attachment 69302

That stat sheet is completely leaving off the rushing stats. In that time period Hurts has 1200+ yards on the ground and 31 touchdowns.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Here's the deal, though:

Geno would probably look quite a bit better if he had a generational offensive line and an unstoppable rushing attack.

No argument here. Hope we get to find out in 2025

 

[Seahawk_Dan]

That stat sheet is completely leaving off the rushing stats. In that time period Hurts has 1200+ yards on the ground and 31 touchdowns.

Also have to mention that Jalen is at his level with 5 years in, Geno has been in for 12 and has only now in the last 3 years shown that he can be a capable starter.

Between the two, if I had to pick Seattle's starting QB right now I'd go with Hurts. He has a higher ceiling over all, younger, and as stated the thing that stat sheet doesn't show is Jalen's rushing yards and TD's, which show he's a factor on the ground when he needs to be.

 

[JayhawkMike]

This stat is not a reflection of how much time a quarterback has in the pocket before pressure arrives. This stat is a reflection of how long a quarterback is in the pocket, on average, before the play ends or they leave the pocket.

Quarterbacks who are quick to throw will have a lower pocket time. Quarterbacks who operate in offenses with more long-developing plays will have a higher pocket time.

This isn't the stat you think it is.

That's not even Geno defense. That's just factual.

Wrong

 

[hawkfan68]

Hurts is a hell of a lot better QB. And he's going to his 2nd super bowl in 3 seasons. geDIOCRE hasn't won a single playoff game, and where are the wins against the BEST teams? His record against teams above .500 should be listed on there along with Hurts.

But it's yet another GREAT illustration that Stats don't mean squat. I'll take the winner every time, over padded stats between the 20's and in garbage time. Throw for all the yards and TD's you want, if you don't win the big games, why does it matter what numbers you put up?

Perfect example: Kirk Cousins. Ridiculous stats year after year..........ONE playoff win. ONE.

This is the problem. Geno doesn't throw for a lot of TDs. He's had only one year, 2022, that he hit 30 TDs. That's not even averaging 2 TD passes per game. Last season, he had total of 21. In 2023, he threw for 20. If he threw for more TDs, we probably wouldn't be having these discussions right now.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Good points, Hawk.

 

[sutz]

I blame fantasy football.

I know your comment a little bit in jest, but I agree whole-heartedly. Fans don't really have realistic expectations of players, expecting instant gratification on rookies and even FA.

 

[JayhawkMike]

I know your comment a little bit in jest, but I agree whole-heartedly. Fans don't really have realistic expectations of players, expecting instant gratification on rookies and even FA.

I have never done fantasy football in my life but hate how some around here use it to belittle peoples opinions they disagree with.

I just google searched for stats and that’s the one I found. Seems solid.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I've never done Fantasy Football either. I have enough hobbies. And I just don't have it in me to hope some dude on a team I hate plays well etc. I'm sure I'd love it, but no new addictions

 

[Ozzy]

This stat is not a reflection of how much time a quarterback has in the pocket before pressure arrives. This stat is a reflection of how long a quarterback is in the pocket, on average, before the play ends or they leave the pocket.

Quarterbacks who are quick to throw will have a lower pocket time. Quarterbacks who operate in offenses with more long-developing plays will have a higher pocket time.

This isn't the stat you think it is.

That's not even Geno defense. That's just factual.

I do think there is a little correlation when you look at all the stats involved with Geno though. He is near the league lead in quick pressures which works in Geno's favor. But the average play that isn't a complete line failure or instant pressure and I think Geno isn't facing this insurmountable pressure that no one else faces either like many try to convince us is what is holding him back.

Now we don't have a good line, we actually have a pretty bad line by league standards. I just also don't think Geno is running for his life every play and if only we had a good line he would explode.....the numbers just don't support that.

But regardless of if its Geno or someone else, they have to get them a better and more consistent line for sure. While I think many of Geno's mistakes arent line related it would definitely help him of course too.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Wrong

Fair enough, but this also disproves your original point in the same exact fashion.

 

[IndyHawk]

I'm starting to think this forum is a little bit divided on Geno.

You remember when Me3 was here? How dare anyone to say anything
against him!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

geDIOCRE

 

[IndyHawk]

Now we don't have a good line, we actually have a pretty bad line by league standards. I just also don't think Geno is running for his life every play and if only we had a good line he would explode.....the numbers just don't support that.

Explode? lmao.. I'm sorry, I can't even think to counter your post.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

"He blowed up real good"

 

[keasley45]

I blame fantasy football.

This, x 2000.

Folks went from not understanding the game to playing football and having takes on players based purely on TDs, yards, ints, catches, etc.

Ruined the beauty of the game.

 

[keasley45]

I do think there is a little correlation when you look at all the stats involved with Geno though. He is near the league lead in quick pressures which works in Geno's favor. But the average play that isn't a complete line failure or instant pressure and I think Geno isn't facing this insurmountable pressure that no one else faces either like many try to convince us is what is holding him back.

Now we don't have a good line, we actually have a pretty bad line by league standards. I just also don't think Geno is running for his life every play and if only we had a good line he would explode.....the numbers just don't support that.

But regardless of if its Geno or someone else, they have to get them a better and more consistent line for sure. While I think many of Geno's mistakes arent line related it would definitely help him of course too.

Our O line isnt as bad as the coaching made it look. Its also wasnt great in the middle for reasons of coaching, injury and continuity. I forget where it was dicussed, but i remember either Baldy or Schlereth remarking that the biggest problem with our line is that it gave up pressure up the middle at a rate that was near tops in the league. And pressure up the middle on a pocket passer affects the passing game more than pressure from the edge because it disrupts passing lanes and forces the qb to reset - there is no pocket to step up into.

Thats why trying to pick stats like time in pocket for us last year are misleading. The pocket wasnt entirely collapsed around Geno because we had decent Tackle play, but it was consistently pushed into his lap. Couple that with an OC that the HC kicked out the door as soon as he could after season's end (if there'd been a better option at passing game coordinator or assistant OC i think Mac woukd have fire him during the season) and you have protection thats not protecting and passing routes that even if you COULD see them were poorly conceived and often took too long to develop.

Grubb caused a lot of problems and you cant just look at one specific stat or advance stat to get the entire picture.