Bryce Young benched, Andy Dalton the starter

[Chuckwow]

All he is is quick and agile. Put him back returning kicks. Whatever.

Like many of you, I'm sure, the day he was drafted I felt he was the worst draftpick in NFL history, I thought that. Now I know that. Worse than Alki Smith, Todd marinovich and Jamarcus Russell. Damn near worse than all of those horrible picks combined. 2 firsts, 2 seconds...AND DJ Moore. Did none of the Carolina execs as much as stand next to the guy? He makes Russ Wilson look big.

And therein the problem lies.....everyone thought they wanted a Russ Wilson. Few understood Russ was lightning in a bottle. I don't care enough to see if that silly, silly front office remains intact but getting rid of those cartoons should have happened a year ago.

That was a mean post. He's a nice kid, right? That has not a damn thing to do with winning at football. He's made enough money to last a lifetime. And for doing, well, not much. Go enjoy yr money young man. Go in good health.

 

[knownone]

Bryce Young was the analytics wet dream. He graded out similarly to Patrick Mahomes, was great at reading the whole field, and consistently made plays when everything around him broke down. The gamble was whether a 5'10, 180-pound QB with a below-average arm and average athleticism could succeed at a much higher level. I still can't believe the Panthers gave up that much for such a risky prospect.

 

[Vesuve]

Panthers fans are living a football fan's nightmare.

David Tepper is on path to being worse than Dan Snyder.

I feel sorry for Panther fans.

 

[BirdsCommaAngry]

With the Jets win, the Panthers now have the worst record of all teams since 2018 (when Tepper purchased their team).

 

[IndyHawk]

Is he really that bad or do they have no talent around him. Reminds me of David Carr in Houston. Young had a lot of talent around him at Bama. Would you offer a 4th or 5th rounder for him? Our OL may not be good enough, but we certainly have the skill players. I wonder if the Panthers are ready to dump him yet

 

[CouchLogic]

Is he really that bad or do they have no talent around him. Reminds me of David Carr in Houston. Young had a lot of talent around him at Bama. Would you offer a 4th or 5th rounder for him? Our OL may not be good enough, but we certainly have the skill players. I wonder if the Panthers are ready to dump him yet

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah.........no

 

[GemCity]

The owner wanted him over Stroud. Owner won the debate.

I don’t think it’s necessarily a size issue. It’s not like he didn’t play against some big boys while at Alabama. Don’t get me wrong…size certainly helps.

While he may not have a world class line or receivers, I don’t think that’s necessarily the problem either.

He lacks confidence (rightfully so). A lot of the issues appear to be mental…which might be insurmountable for him at this stage.

Carolina has made some crazy moves these last few years…

 

[IndyHawk]

The owner wanted him over Stroud. Owner won the debate.

I don’t think it’s necessarily a size issue. It’s not like he didn’t play against some big boys while at Alabama. Don’t get me wrong…size certainly helps.

While he may not have a world class line or receivers, I don’t think that’s necessarily the problem either.

He lacks confidence (rightfully so). A lot of the issues appear to be mental…which might be insurmountable for him at this stage.

Carolina has made some crazy moves these last few years…

College is not the NFL where everyone is better, bigger and faster.
At Alabama he had a bunch of 5 stars and operated out of the shotgun
in a simple offense.
That won't cut it the NFL.. His size is a really big issue and he's not fast
enough or quick to make up for any of that, he's shorter than Me3 so
he can't see jack shit.

 

[m0ng0]

How many lives does Andy Dalton have?

 

[NoGain]

Yeah, when you consider what Tepper gave up to get Young, it's in the discussion for worst #1 pick ever as of now.

 

[BlueTalon]

I am convinced of 2 things:
1. NFL teams mishandle QBs all the time, and it destroys careers, hurting the player, the team, and the NFL as a whole
2. QBs are overdrafted, which also destroys careers, hurting the player, the team, and the NFL.

My solution: make it *mandatory* that every drafted QB sits out their first year. As in, completely ineligible to play a single snap.

Some of you may find this idea outlandish, but hear me out. By forcing drafted QBs to sit out a year it prevents desperate teams from inflating the price of QBs because they wouldn't even get to use that player in the upcoming season. Drafting a QB would automatically make it a project because even someone like Mahomes would've had to sit for a year. Teams would be forced to take a longer view on QBs instead of throwing them in the meat grinder and then discarding them when they fail to come out on top.
A rule like this would mean QBs are drafted closer to their actual talent level instead of hype and desperation, and they would all have a year of practicing on an NFL team before they go out and play a snap. No longer would a QBs career path be determined by his first season. I believe fewer QBs would wash out because they would continue making progress instead of having to put it all together immediately and being demoralized by their failure. QB is the most important position in sports, and that means when the QB isn't performing he will get the most criticism right up front on all sports channels. His name will be blasted and people cursing him. There's now hundreds of millions in contact money on the line so there's even more pressure. Just give the damn QBs some time

I'm not sure how workable that would be, but I like the out-of-the-box thinking.

 

[Spin Doctor]

All he is is quick and agile. Put him back returning kicks. Whatever.

Like many of you, I'm sure, the day he was drafted I felt he was the worst draftpick in NFL history, I thought that. Now I know that. Worse than Alki Smith, Todd marinovich and Jamarcus Russell. Damn near worse than all of those horrible picks combined. 2 firsts, 2 seconds...AND DJ Moore. Did none of the Carolina execs as much as stand next to the guy? He makes Russ Wilson look big.

And therein the problem lies.....everyone thought they wanted a Russ Wilson. Few understood Russ was lightning in a bottle. I don't care enough to see if that silly, silly front office remains intact but getting rid of those cartoons should have happened a year ago.

That was a mean post. He's a nice kid, right? That has not a damn thing to do with winning at football. He's made enough money to last a lifetime. And for doing, well, not much. Go enjoy yr money young man. Go in good health.

Russell Wilson certainly was an anomaly. He created a situation where guys such as Murray and Young could get drafted number one overall. What a lot of people didn't understand, is Russ succeeded due to other elite attributes. Wilson was an elite athlete and composed underneath pressure. He was like Barry Sanders playing QB. He made even the most elite defenders look as if they were on a slip and slide.

We like to clown on Russ, hell even I like to clown on Russ, but he was a dang good QB. He was limited and couldn't see the middle of the field, but he made it work. It only worked because of his unique skillset. To this day, I don't know if I've ever seen a QB be able to launch the ball on the run at such weird angles, and deliver a dime 60+ yards downfield. Everything Wilson did defied logic, for all intents and purposes he should've been nothing but a back up. He made it work because he was an extremely unique talent, with an unusual skillset. Wilson wasn't the best pure QB out there, but as an athlete he sure as hell was slept on.

Bryce Young didn't have any of what Wilson had. He's built like a bean pole, has a below average arm and mediocre athleticism. In addition to that, he doesn't seem so good under pressure, which Wilson was. Having that Bama line really masked a lot of his issues. Under pressure, Bryce Young folds. His footwork becomes a sloppy mess and he forgets how to play football as soon as you hit him.

It's a damn shame, he does seem like he is a good guy.

 

[Vesuve]

He lacks confidence (rightfully so). A lot of the issues appear to be mental…which might be insurmountable for him at this stage.

Carolina has made some crazy moves these last few years…

Yes, those very bad throws are mental, IMO.

And the way he moves out of the pocket is mental.

You noted Tepper wanted to draft Bryce Young and won....he tried to claim, if I recall correctly, that other coaches and scouts were on board for Young....I may be wrong.

But I don't think Tepper is believable based on the things he's done since he's bought the team (e.g., the head coach merry-go-round).

With the crazy moves you mention, I assume Tepper is calling these shots....?

 

[GemCity]

Yes, those very bad throws are mental, IMO.

And the way he moves out of the pocket is mental.

You noted Tepper wanted to draft Bryce Young and won....he tried to claim, if I recall correctly, that other coaches and scouts were on board for Young....I may be wrong.

But I don't think Tepper is believable based on the things he's done since he's bought the team (e.g., the head coach merry-go-round).

With the crazy moves you mention, I assume Tepper is calling these shots....?

That’s my assumption but…things always get twisted in the media.

I liked Stroud more but if they chose him instead of Young, what QB needy team would’ve passed on Young? Zero.

Always a roll of the dice. But, it certainly doesn’t help when you’re FO is making questionable trades and losing picks along the way.

 

[GemCity]

College is not the NFL where everyone is better, bigger and faster.
At Alabama he had a bunch of 5 stars and operated out of the shotgun
in a simple offense.
That won't cut it the NFL.. His size is a really big issue and he's not fast
enough or quick to make up for any of that, he's shorter than Me3 so
he can't see jack shit.

I understand that Indy. Even down to the 53rd man, everyone on an NFL roster was THE MAN at some point.

But did anyone predict he’d be this bad? I certainly didn’t.

 

[Appyhawk]

So Young gets the axe by the staff. Now its Dalton's turn. Wonder what happens of Dalton fails too? Does he get the blame too? Sooner of later the staff will have no one to blame but themselves.
When a previously successful QB is now running for his life on every down it's his own fault, right?
Time to bench Caleb Williams too?

 

[bileever]

Bryce Young is not the savior some people thought before the draft, and he's probably not as bad as people are saying now. It will take a couple of years to figure out exactly how good he is. They also said Baker Mayfield was a bust, and he's doing fine now. Geno Smith was supposed to be a bust, too.

Look at all the QBs from the last two years. Except for Stroud, no one is looking real hot right now. Not Richardson or Levis or Caleb Williams or Jayden Daniels or Bo Nix. And Drake Maye and Michael Penix haven't even seen the field yet. Some of these guys will be busts, and some will turn out to be okay players, but we won't know for a couple of years.

 

[Ozzy]

It’s possible if he goes to the Texans and CU goes to the train wreck that is Carolina Bryce is the stud and CJ is the bust. Situation is massive for young quarterbacks. I think is what Brady that said if he went to a bad organization he could’ve been out of the league in 3 years.

 

[Vesuve]

Always a roll of the dice. But, it certainly doesn’t help when you’re FO is making questionable trades and losing picks along the way.

Yeah, they traded a lot of players and picks for Young.

Got some things back when Chicago traded for their sport for Caleb Williams.

But for Carolina, I think it will definitely be a long hard road for them for some time to come.