Chip Kelly OC talk again

[bigcc]

Nothing wrong with getting HC failures for coordinators positions IMO. Some guys just are better coordinators than HCs.

And a guy like Kelly with 2 failures on his card would take several years of excellence to get another HC chance.

Looking at you Dan Quinn

I would've bust out some leftover fireworks if we could have him as DC...

If we'd hired him as HC I would've bust out an all black outfit because my hopes for the teams future would have died.

 

[RiverDog]

I'm not sure there are any better candidates currently.

Chip has evolved as a coach. It's not the same Oregon/Philly offense. I think there are potentially a ton of positives with this move.

He's a better OC than HC in my mind. The guy has a ton of experience. He wants no part of the current college landscape. That's why he's interviewing for this job. He also has coached guys like Charbonnet & Bobo.

He's not going to get another HC opportunity in the NFL. At least not right away.

If Chip has evolved, his W/L record sure doesn't show it. He's 35-34 at UCLA, and with their move to the Big 10 next season, things are bound to get worse before they get better. That's almost certainly why he's trying to get out of Dodge now.

I'd much rather see them go with a young quarterback's coach or passing game coordinator.

 

[CactusJack]

If Chip has evolved, his W/L record sure doesn't show it. He's 35-34 at UCLA, and with their move to the Big 10 next season, things are bound to get worse before they get better. That's almost certainly why he's trying to get out of Dodge now.

I'd much rather see them go with a young quarterback's coach or passing game coordinator.

Which is precisely why he's better suited to be a coordinator than HC. Chip is a really good offensive play caller/mind. He has struggled recently as a recruiter, which has hurt his record as a HC in college. He's not a fan of NIL & the headaches that come with the job. That's why he wants out of the college game.

If you put him in an OC role, then he'll likely flourish. Macdonald is going to have a big hand in what happens defensively. So, Chip doesn't have to worry about the responsibilities that come with being a head coach.

Some guys are just better coordinators than Head coaches. Chip is one of those guys.

 

[Ozzy]

This is what I wanted to hear. I thought his time in Philadelphia was a complete disaster.

Brendan Nelson who does Seahawks stuff on youtube broke it down and it helped calm me down a little. He was still a disaster in other areas and I think the last year the wheels fell off so it wasn't all good but he did do some good things. I'll see if I can find it and post it.

I'm not excited about it and some of this is trying to talk myself into it if it happens lol

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Meh, it's all just talk. Whatever Coach decides, I'm good with it. He clearly knows what he's doing. He clearly has a very specific plan.

 

[Maelstrom787]

 

[Ozzy]

Meh, it's all just talk. Whatever Coach decides, I'm good with it. He clearly knows what he's doing. He clearly has a very specific plan.

That's where I'm at. I think John and Macdonald know what they want and I trust them to get it right.

 

[GemCity]

Not feeling this candidate. At all.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I legit don't care who it is as long as we win and he's creative.

 

[Ozzy]

Not feeling this candidate. At all.

I don't blame you honestly.

 

[Maelstrom787]

If Chip has evolved, his W/L record sure doesn't show it. He's 35-34 at UCLA, and with their move to the Big 10 next season, things are bound to get worse before they get better. That's almost certainly why he's trying to get out of Dodge now.

I'd much rather see them go with a young quarterback's coach or passing game coordinator.

His offense absolutely 100% shows significant evolution. We shouldn't really judge prospective offensive coordinators by their record as head coach at a single school that hasn't been setting the NCAA ablaze at any point in the past 30 years.

We should judge those guys on scheme, adaptability, evolution, ingenuity, and playcalling aptitude.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

100 percent? So it's FACT and not opinion? We should only judge on what you think we should judge them on?
Hmmmm

 

[Maelstrom787]

100 percent? So it's FACT and not opinion? We should only judge on what you think we should judge them on?
Hmmmm

I mean, yeah. He runs many different concepts with different splits and different focuses at UCLA than he did prior. That part is more factual.

The "shouldn't" is opinion. People are going to judge on whatever they want to judge on, fair or not. I think it's reasonable enough to say that head coach W/L is probably misleading as a criteria to use for evaluating a coordinator, though. There's a lot that goes into HC, especially in college, that isn't just nitty gritty offensive implementation and execution.

 

[fenderbender123]

 

[RiverDog]

His offense absolutely 100% shows significant evolution. We shouldn't really judge prospective offensive coordinators by their record as head coach at a single school that hasn't been setting the NCAA ablaze at any point in the past 30 years.

We should judge those guys on scheme, adaptability, evolution, ingenuity, and playcalling aptitude.

But the things that you say we should be judging him on, ie scheme adaptability, evolution, ingenuity, et al, he hasn't demonstrated any kind of success at, either recently at UCLA or during his days in the NFL. What you're basically telling me is if a coach can demonstrate on a grease board that he has those traits that we should hire him.

I'm also wondering how successful he'll be at grooming our QBOTF. He hasn't done much in that category, either.

I've been on board with every decision that JS has made to this point in the process. But if he names Chip Kelly as his OC, it's going to raise my eyebrows a tad.

 

[James in PA]

I don't know enough about the current version of Chip Kelly to have a strong opinion either way. If he's run-heavy though, that's a big plus. We need an OC who's committed to the run and actually good at dialing up creative runs. That will compliment Mac's defense beautifully. That's why someone like Bienemy makes no sense to me.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Good points. We need to pound TF out of the rock.

 

[GemCity]

As JS and MM are taking their time, I will say that I’m confident they are going to make the right choice.

I haven’t watched UCLA, sans clips of Charb, in years.

 

[Ozzy]

Hey maybe Bobo and Charbs blow up!

 

[Ostatehawk]

Yup.

His QB this past year was pretty awful. But when he had DTR, Charbs & Bobo the previous year, his offense was pretty dynamic.

It pains me because my hatred of all things duck is strong, and he will always be a duck to me. But, dammit, you are right his O looked good when he had good pieces. Wouldnt hate it.