Stadiums in crime areas.

[Seahawks Guy]

I think the first thing to figure out is why there are so many homeless people in one place. Disproportionate to the overall population.

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

I'm assuming that some posters here are local and have seen the documentary by KOMO news "Seattle is Dying"

For those who have not seen it:



Mods if this is inappropriate I'll remove it. Since this is a Seahawks forum and all.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It specifically talks about the area around the home stadium making it relevant to Seahawks football.

Ok.......

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I think the first thing to figure out is why there are so many homeless people in one place, disproportionate to the overall population.

For example, you go to a city with a population of 50,000, and you will maybe see a couple homeless people, and that's if you look. You go to a city with 500,000 and suddenly there's congregations of thousands of them.

Homeless people congregate around the areas where they can;

1. Buy drugs and alcohol easily
2. Not be hassled
3. Get to all their free clinics and social services offices

That's not Enumclaw, that's downtown Seattle.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Why doesn't the ocal populace start hassling them?

Why not stop providing free clinics and social services if they are just going to repay the community by continuing to be homeless?

I don't live in Seattle, but my guess is most people who do live there must like a huge homeless population. According to some quick Google searches, 2.3% of king county population is homeless.

 

[oldhawkfan]

Name me one major city that doesn’t have this problem.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Why doesn't the ocal populace start hassling them?

Why not stop providing free clinics and social services if they are just going to repay the community by continuing to be homeless?

I don't live in Seattle, but my guess is most people who do live there must like a huge homeless population. According to some quick Google searches, 2.3% of king county population is homeless.

What do you mean by start hassling them? Like homeless people don't already feel bad about being homeless? I can't imagine that's a super happy existence.

Local business owners and residence are telling the cities they're not happy, by moving. Thus why major areas of downtown Seattle look like ghost towns now.

There's no simple answer to homelessness. Yes, enforce the laws (but that takes a large police and social service force willing to do it). But also it does mean things like treatment and housing.

It's all of it......and unfortunately cities like Seattle there's an endless tug of war between how to accomplish all this successfully.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Name me one major city that doesn’t have this problem.

Exactly. As if Seattle is the only city with drug and homeless problems

 

[Seahawks Guy]

I'm just saying there's obviously not enough motivation to not become homeless in the first place. Make it really scary.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

You're a trip, Fender. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Exactly. As if Seattle is the only city with drug and homeless problems

There are major cities with significantly less homeless rates. Atlanta, for example. What is Atlanta doing that Seattle isn't?

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

I'm just saying there's obviously not enough motivation to not become homeless in the first place. Make it really scary.

I would be terrified to become homeless. The streets would devour me I wouldn't last a week. I can only speak for myself though. There are way tougher people than me out there that somehow get by.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I've been to Atlanta, it's a sh**hole in several areas. Go to San Francisco and take a look at their homeless and drug problems downtown. It's horrendous.

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

I've been to Atlanta, it's a sh**hole in several areas. Go to San Francisco and take a look at their homeless and drug problems downtown. It's horrendous.

This.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I'm just saying there's obviously not enough motivation to not become homeless in the first place. Make it really scary.

Like Soylent Green, Running Man with homeless people, The Hunt.

What's your scary shame Mason Dixon line fender.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Good question. Give me a few hours and I'll think of something creative.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

Alright I thought of something. How about instead of doing something cruel and belittling like Soylent green or Running Man, we collectively stop feeling bad for homeless people. Stop giving them money when they beg.

When you have a family member or friend who chooses to get addicted to drugs or gambling or whatever, stop saying "oh poor him, he has an addiction and needs help". Instead, the mentality should be "what a dumbfuck who purposely chose to dig his own grave". People feed off of pity. They like it. Don't pity them. Hate them.

 

[BlueTalon]

UW did an environmental study of Seattle public transit and found that 100 percent of air or Surface samples were contaminated with meth or fent. Bus drivers are filing workers comp.

I wouldnt Take public transport there for that reason. Do most ppl drive? What are the parking fees like? At Levi’s, it’s half a game ticket.

The Sounder (Amtrak) train isn't like typical public transport. There are a few Sounder trains running on game day. When I'm in the area and can catch a game, I'll take the Sounder train in from Edmonds. When the train unloads, it's a huge throng of people making their way to the stadium. It's harder to be targeted for crime that way. It's the same defensive strategy that schools of fish employ.

 

[BlueTalon]

Alright I thought of something. How about instead of doing something cruel and belittling like Soylent green or Running Man, we collectively stop feeling bad for homeless people. Stop giving them money when they beg.

When you have a family member or friend who chooses to get addicted to drugs or gambling or whatever, stop saying "oh poor him, he has an addiction and needs help". Instead, the mentality should be "what a dumbfuck who purposely chose to dig his own grave". People feed off of pity. They like it. Don't pity them. Hate them.

I had an interesting experience in Russia, almost 30 years ago. I was on a regional bus between a couple of small cities. Some guy in the back had gotten way too drunk, and vomited. The driver apparently had a helper, and this helper came back to investigate. He made the drunk guy clean the vomit up the best he could using his (the drunk's) own jacket, then they threw him off the bus. (The bus was stopped.) I don't remember if the people applauded or not, but I remember thinking that's the way it's done.

 

[FlyingGunHawk]

I had an interesting experience in Russia, almost 30 years ago. I was on a regional bus between a couple of small cities. Some guy in the back had gotten way too drunk, and vomited. The driver apparently had a helper, and this helper came back to investigate. He made the drunk guy clean the vomit up the best he could using his (the drunk's) own jacket, then they threw him off the bus. (The bus was stopped.) I don't remember if the people applauded or not, but I remember thinking that's the way it's done.

Interesting story. I think an issue is most people just don't know how to respond to something as sad as homelessness. They either do the politically correct thing and act like they care, or they ignore them entirely. Or a combination of both. Then after a while they become numb to it. Damned if we do. Damned if we don't.