Wagner returns to Seattle (1 year/$7 million)

[onanygivensunday]

Bobby's contract is one year for $5.5M guaranteed with additional $1.5M in incentives.

We're now $5.5M in the red on Effective Cap Space (which takes into account rookie contracts for our upcoming 10 draft picks).

And the team will need an additional $5M - $6M in cap space for practice squad players, injured reserve and potential in-season vet additions to the roster.

Something has to give. I expect some contract extensions and/or reworked contracts to free up $10M to $11M between now and late May or early June timeframe (when our draft choices are signed).

 

[Sgt. Largent]

This makes Wagner's

Bobby's contract is one year for $5.5M guaranteed with additional $1.5M in incentives.

We're now $5.5M in the red on Effective Cap Space (which takes into account rookie contracts for our upcoming 10 draft picks).

And the team will need an additional $5M - $6M in cap space for practice squad players, injured reserve and potential in-season vet additions to the roster.

Something has to give. I expect some contract extensions and/or reworked contracts to free up $10M to $11M between now and late May or early June timeframe (when our draft choices are signed).

I'd expect extensions for both Diggs and Nwosu, maybe even Lockett.

All or some would free up quite a bit of cap. Diggs 2023 salary is fully guaranteed with an 18M cap hit (21M dead). Adding another year or two could free up 10M+.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Wags cap hit and guarantee is 5.5m. https://www.fieldgulls.com/2023/3/3...ntract-details-seattle-seahawks-2023-nfl-news

 

[flv2]

The Seahawks currently have 6 players with base salaries in excess of $5M. The Seahawks have a lot of future cap space they can access by converting base salaries to signing bonuses. This doesn't mean that they should do so or that they should do so at this point in time. The point is that the Seahawks have resource options available that other teams, (specifically the Eagles), have already exhausted.

 

[Hawk4life]

My reference was actually about Easley's story but yes, they are douchebags because there was no reason to cut him in the first place.

 

[Fade]

Ryan Neal gone to fit in Wagner? WHAT ARE WE DOIN' HERE?!

Cutting the highest graded Safety per PFF. The best Safety on the team, currently imo. (Diggs is aging, Adams always injured.)

 

[hoxrox]

Ryan Neal gone to fit in Wagner? WHAT ARE WE DOIN' HERE?!

Cutting the highest graded Safety per PFF. The best Safety on the team, currently imo. (Diggs is aging, Adams always injured.)

Josh Jacobs has entered the chat. Oh look, another Raider first down. And yet another huge chunk of yardage given up by the front seven. Neal is a nice player, but does he play in the front seven?

He would have been nice to keep, but what price will he command in FA? Is it easier to replace a Neal type player in this draft, or a Wagner type player?

The secondary wasn't the issue last season. It was the front seven.

 

[Fade]

Josh Jacobs has entered the chat. Oh look, another Raider first down. And yet another huge chunk of yardage given up by the front seven. Neal is a nice player, but does he play in the front seven?

He would have been nice to keep, but what price will he command in FA? Is it easier to replace a Neal type player in this draft, or a Wagner type player?

The secondary wasn't the issue last season. It was the front seven.

Neal plays in the box quite a bit. Box safeties are very helpful to a run defense.

Wagner by himself isn't going to fix all of their issues with their run fits, and their issues upfront.

I was told Wagner was a luxury. That was the original damage control when he signed.

When I responded with, "no he isn't, they are going to have to cut someone, or restructure."

Well, here we are. Now, it's the 8th man in the box don't matter. He doesn't play in the front 7.

Adams will get injured, and they will be missing Neal dearly at that point.
Still have a gaping hole at NT to boot.

They are spending more at Safety than last year, and found a way to get worse at that spot. Bad management.

What's the over/under on how many games Adams starts? If he miraculously stays healthy, losing Neal isn't a big deal.

However, it is very likely I'll be hearing "Adams got injured again! That's why the defense still sucks!" Damage control next season.

Neal had potential to be a 3-4 yr solution at SS, while transitioning off of both Diggs and Adams after this year. Filling 2 holes is easier than 3.

Wagner is a 1 yr stop gap, so next off-season without Neal in the fold, they will need a ILB, SS, and FS. With a buncha holes still remaining in the front seven I'm sure, based on the last 7 years of watching this defense and how they operate.

 

[flv2]

Nobody should put much faith in PFF's DB ratings. It's always been PFF's blind spot.

 

[Fade]

Nobody should put much faith in PFF's DB ratings. It's always been PFF's blind spot.

Damage control.

Watch the film yourself. He was the best player on defense at times last year. A real bright spot on a pathetic unit.

 

[GGotskill]

Damage control.

Watch the film yourself. He was the best player on defense at times last year. A real bright spot on a pathetic unit.

Do you have any particular games/plays to back up this claim?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Nah, he refuses to EVER give a speck of credit to Pete and/or John.
Every last thing that Pete and John do is a disaster in his eyes. Same record, over and over and over and over again.

 

[GGotskill]

Nah, he refuses to EVER give a speck of credit to Pete and/or John.
Every last thing that Pete and John do is a disaster in his eyes. Same record, over and over and over and over again.

Funny, I know someone like that...

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I have a co worker who basically thinks Pete is the anti-christ. It never gets old

 

[Maelstrom787]

Funny, I know someone like that...

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And so do I...............
You guys are kind of dicks But that was pretty damn funny. Nicely done.
I'm glad you don't like me. Good stuff. And as always, Maelstrom can piss off, sincerely.

 

[Lagartixa]

If Neal is so great, why is it that no NFL front office gave him anything more than the one-year, $1,092,500 contract the Buccaneers gave him?
Fade has predictably tried to spin this as malpractice by the Seahawks front office, but thirty other front offices agreed with the Bucs that he wasn't worth much more than a league-minimum salary. The Seahawks had initially offered Neal almost two and a half times as much as he ended up getting on the market, but he didn't sign the tender and the Seahawks rescinded it.

I have no idea why NFL teams' front offices consider Neal's value to be that low, but it's pretty clear that they have unanimously decided he's just not worth very much to them.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Outstanding post ^
It's just typical "The Hawks are stupid!" when they do something basically the entire league chose to also do: NOT pay Neal good $. I wanted him to stay, but if the guy wanted to bounce, and took LESS money to go to TB, how does that make the HAWKS the stupid ones? Neal CHOSE to not sign that tender from the Hawks.
Again, he CHOSE it.
In the long run, I'm hoping he is back in 2024. Wouldn't be the first time Pete and John bring a guy back after letting them go play elsewhere.

 

[flv2]

Damage control.

Watch the film yourself. He was the best player on defense at times last year. A real bright spot on a pathetic unit.

Lots of players flash at times. I'm not going to debate whether Neal was a decent, good, or very good player. DB isn't a position I evaluate. PFF's history of grading Rams DBs has been poor. Going back to 2012 they graded the Rams FS as the 6th best S in the NFL. He was cut before the new season and he signed a near minimum wage FA contract elsewhere after the Draft. In the same year they had the Rams #3 and #4 CBs as the best CBs on the team - above Jackrabbit Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson who would both receive franchise tag contract offers 12 months later. They see certain traits in DBs that no-one else does. Obviously they get a lot more right than they get wrong, but they give more questionable grades at DB then they do at any other position.

 

[Fade]

If Neal is so great, why is it that no NFL front office gave him anything more than the one-year, $1,092,500 contract the Buccaneers gave him?
Fade has predictably tried to spin this as malpractice by the Seahawks front office, but thirty other front offices agreed with the Bucs that he wasn't worth much more than a league-minimum salary. The Seahawks had initially offered Neal almost two and a half times as much as he ended up getting on the market, but he didn't sign the tender and the Seahawks rescinded it.

I have no idea why NFL teams' front offices consider Neal's value to be that low, but it's pretty clear that they have unanimously decided he's just not worth very much to them.

The Seahawks track record on defense, from scheme, to coordinators, to draft picks, to Free Agents, speaks for itself post L.O.B.

There is nothing to spin. If you like the results they've been getting for 7 years or so, I got some magic beans to sell you.

Safeties don't go for a lot of money, especially when most of the Free Agent money has already been spent. Ryan Neal has potential and he is betting on himself. He valued playing time over money. Should be in Seattle.