If we just had average defense

[Chawker]

We would still be in the play off race. This new hybrid defense just isn't working, not with Norton, or Hurtt or any other coach wiz pete can come up with.

If you have good cornners, which we do now the 4-3 can be a formidable defense at stopping any team in the league on 1st a 2nd downs. Having Adams playing would be big too.

Cheers

 

[NJHawk]

I just want meaningful games toward the end . After Thursday night that dream will be over. I know I'm doom and gloom but we don't have the talent to compete.

 

[JPatera76]

If we had an Average Defense... We'd have won today, and probably as well against the Bucs and Raiders.

 

[cymatica]

This team is like Denver but polar opposite. If they only had an average offense...

 

[Maelstrom787]

We would still be in the play off race. This new hybrid defense just isn't working, not with Norton, or Hurtt or any other coach wiz pete can come up with.

If you have good cornners, which we do now the 4-3 can be a formidable defense at stopping any team in the league on 1st a 2nd downs. Having Adams playing would be big too.

Cheers

Yeah? What kind of 4-3 we talkin'? Massive amount of variation under that umbrella.

 

[Spin Doctor]

We would still be in the play off race. This new hybrid defense just isn't working, not with Norton, or Hurtt or any other coach wiz pete can come up with.

If you have good cornners, which we do now the 4-3 can be a formidable defense at stopping any team in the league on 1st a 2nd downs. Having Adams playing would be big too.

Cheers

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, IT'S NOT THE 3-4 FRONT. We're running a lot of 4-3 fronts as well. Switching to the 4-3 front will not magically solve all of our issues. In fact we used quite a few 4-3 fronts in this game as well.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Yeah? What kind of 4-3 we talkin'? Massive amount of variation under that umbrella.

We've even tried changing from a one gap to a two gap defense, we've tried running more 4-3 fronts. 3-4 is getting a lot of blame that shouldn't be attributed to the 3-4 scheme.

 

[Maelstrom787]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, IT'S NOT THE 3-4 FRONT. We're running a lot of 4-3 fronts as well. Switching to the 4-3 front will not magically solve all of our issues. In fact we used quite a few 4-3 fronts in this game as well.

I've been down this road before with him. He's misidentifying the fronts visually.

 

[strohmin]

Imagine if we had Denver's defense....

 

[Chevy]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, IT'S NOT THE 3-4 FRONT. We're running a lot of 4-3 fronts as well. Switching to the 4-3 front will not magically solve all of our issues. In fact we used quite a few 4-3 fronts in this game as well.

They occasionally do run 4-3 fronts. When we ran 4-3 fronts today, I think it's because Darrell Taylor is better rushing the passer coming out of a 3-point stance. But I doubt we have used the 4-3 fronts any more than 5% of all defensive snaps for the entire season. I have seen us run a lot more 2-4 fronts than 4-3 fronts this year.

This 3-4 scheme seems to be the problem.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

This team is like Denver but polar opposite. If they only had an average offense...

Kind of ironic but at least their deficiencies work in our favor this season.

 

[Fade]

Imagine if we had Denver's defense....

Let's make a trade. I'm sure Denver is game!

 

[Fade]

They occasionally do run 4-3 fronts. When we ran 4-3 fronts today, I think it's because Darrell Taylor is better rushing the passer coming out of a 3-point stance. But I doubt we have used the 4-3 fronts any more than 5% of all defensive snaps for the entire season. I have seen us run a lot more 2-4 fronts than 4-3 fronts this year.

This 3-4 scheme seems to be the problem.

5% huh? Not even close.

Seattle runs a lot of over and under fronts that look like 3-4, but I assure you they are not.

 

[Own The West]

Let's make a trade. I'm sure Denver is game!

See if they'll swap us defenses if we take Russell back...

 

[Chevy]

5% huh? Not even close.

Seattle runs a lot of over and under fronts that look like 3-4, but I assure you they are not.

Provide the statistics! You are talking down to others on here like you are you are the know all be all to the Seahawks defensive scheme.

I look at personnel groupings on defense during games. You are using words to make you sound like you know what's up. Look at the personnel...size matters! Yes, there is a legit difference between 4-3 and 3-4 defense! I guarantee, up until this point of the season, the Seahawks have played more 2-4/2-3 fronts than they have 4-3 fronts.

The weakness of the 3-4 under and over is it getting gashed up the middle during run plays if you don't have a dominate NT and middle LB's (which we don't have). All 3-4 teams run a under/over front a majority of the time. The 3-4 scheme is good for aggressive coaches, which Coach Carroll is not.

 

[Chawker]

I've been down this road before with him. He's misidentifying the fronts visually.

Is this your feeble attempt at belittling me about football, let me tell you something chump I've been watch football scent you were in diapers, so show me some frigging respect or you'll be gone from here.

I've watched great football players like Ray Nitschke, Dike Butkis and Ted Hendricks who you would have to google them just to see if I know what I know. So you and the dr. Just need to clam up about what I do know.

By the way, why do you think this hybrid defense is so great that you feel you
have to defend it so strongly ? I my be old but show some frigging respect. Maybe putting others down is the only way you can feel good abot yourself.

 

[rjdriver]

but we don't have the talent to compete.

YET..

We didn't have an NFL caliber RB tonight. We have two on the roster.
Jamal Adams is former all pro, hopefully back next year for more than a few games.
Unprecedented draft capital this year that we haven't seen since the Galloway trade.

We will have the talent soon enough to roll with anyone.

 

[cymatica]

I know I'm doom and gloom but we don't have the talent to compete.

I don't buy that. It's coaching and the way the talent is utilized. How many times have we heard over the years that there is not a huge gap in talent between different teams? It's how the talent you got is used and while some teams do have more talent than others, the drop off shouldn't be that much that you get a historically bad run defense, especially when facing average or below average running teams or backups.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Is this your feeble attempt at belittling me about football, let me tell you something chump I've been watch football scent you were in diapers, so show me some frigging respect or you'll be gone from here.

I've watched great football players like Ray Nitschke, Dike Butkis and Ted Hendricks who you would have to google them just to see if I know what I know. So you and the dr. Just need to clam up about what I do know.

By the way, why do you think this hybrid defense is so great that you feel you
have to defend it so strongly ? I my be old but show some frigging respect. Maybe putting others down is the only way you can feel good abot yourself.

I'm not putting you down. I'm stating a fact. We've discussed this before, with images, and you were unable to differentiate the alignments from one another. There was not a single personal insult in the message you're replying to.

Specifically, you couldn't differentiate the 4-3 under from a 3-4 front.

Furthermore, multiple times you've blamed a 3-man front for specific plays, when it was shown after that they were in a 4-man front.

Also, I feel like I should end by pointing out that its Dick Butkus*.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Like many of have said, this team doesn't have the talent to compete on defense. YET

In the last 4 games, they are giving up an average of 210 rushing per game. 210