Ringer article on Seahawks Offense

[TwistedHusky]

Well, you could easily argue that not bothering to bring Marcus Burley to the active list lost us the SB before it started.

But agree that a large factor in why we lost the SB was because of the LOB being injured as well as tremendously poor coaching decisions (Burley being the big one but not the only one)

 

[keasley45]

Well, you could easily argue that not bothering to bring Marcus Burley to the active list lost us the SB before it started.

But agree that a large factor in why we lost the SB was because of the LOB being injured as well as tremendously poor coaching decisions (Burley being the big one but not the only one)

I was concerned about that as soon as I saw he was a scratch. The guy was solid for us and would have slowed their passing attack for sure

 

[TwistedHusky]

We agree on that Keasley.

If you recall, we struggled with the slot receivers all year, I think Detroit lit us up. Then we got Burley (from the Colts?) and plugged a HUGE hole.

It was mind-blowing to be going into the SB, against a team where the slot receivers were some of their biggest weapons...we left our only slot WR CB home.

Against Tom effing Brady. KNOWING we had 2 of our key secondary (injured in the GB game) injured.

Most of us, myself included, were so upset about the Bevell thing that this was less focused on - but it probably lost us the game as much as that last play did.

 

[keasley45]

We agree on that Keasley.

If you recall, we struggled with the slot receivers all year, I think Detroit lit us up. Then we got Burley (from the Colts?) and plugged a HUGE hole.

It was mind-blowing to be going into the SB, against a team where the slot receivers were some of their biggest weapons...we left our only slot WR CB home.

Against Tom effing Brady. KNOWING we had 2 of our key secondary (injured in the GB game) injured.

Most of us, myself included, were so upset about the Bevell thing that this was less focused on - but it probably lost us the game as much as that last play did.

I agree 100%. I was pretty upbeat about our chances before the game. It just a feeling like we, despite Cam being hurt and Sherm dinged, that we'd get it done.

And then I saw Burley scratched. Probably the single biggest personnel blunder in Hawks history as it likely cost us the game. Will never understand it. The only thing that dulled the pain a bit was that after he left us, he never amounted to much. I just convinced myself that maybe something happened in the lead-up to the game that resulted in him being dropped from consideration.

But yeah, that last corner spot was crucial and as soon as Lane went down, Brady just went to work. Burley had the quicks and stickiness to hang in the slot and could have been the difference.

 

[John63]

Hard to argue this point when literally the reason we lost SB 49 was because every member of the LOB was injured, and the guy you're defending threw a pick to end the game.

Interesting once again you change the topic from the Sb we won to the Qb we lost. Also interesting how you fail to acknowledge Wilson did not call the play, or that it was a must throw timing pattern where the up Wr failed to get the pick and the down Wr failed to run the route. Also, interesting how you fail to mention over 70% of the money was spent on the defense, and yet you give them an excuse that you never give to Wilson for why they could not hold a double-digit lead with 9 minutes to go, or that there were 2 olineman also playing injured. OR since we are changing the subject to how the vaunted LOB could not hold a lead with 20 seconds to go in 2012. Always interesting how people change the subject when they know they lost and then leave out information. But again he is gone time to move on.

 

[John63]

I agree 100%. I was pretty upbeat about our chances before the game. It just a feeling like we, despite Cam being hurt and Sherm dinged, that we'd get it done.

And then I saw Burley scratched. Probably the single biggest personnel blunder in Hawks history as it likely cost us the game. Will never understand it. The only thing that dulled the pain a bit was that after he left us, he never amounted to much. I just convinced myself that maybe something happened in the lead-up to the game that resulted in him being dropped from consideration.

But yeah, that last corner spot was crucial and as soon as Lane went down, Brady just went to work. Burley had the quicks and stickiness to hang in the slot and could have been the difference.

I agree Lane going down was huge and not carrying that other CB. Also did not seem like we even tried to make an adjustment just tried to play the same way. Seem like we gambled and lost.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Interesting once again you change the topic from the Sb we won to the Qb we lost. Also interesting how you fail to acknowledge Wilson did not call the play, or that it was a must throw timing pattern where the up Wr failed to get the pick and the down Wr failed to run the route. Also, interesting how you fail to mention over 70% of the money was spent on the defense, and yet you give them an excuse that you never give to Wilson for why they could not hold a double-digit lead with 9 minutes to go, or that there were 2 olineman also playing injured. OR since we are changing the subject to how the vaunted LOB could not hold a lead with 20 seconds to go in 2012. Always interesting how people change the subject when they know they lost and then leave out information. But again he is gone time to move on.

Russell played great in SB 48, but you're delusional if you think he was even 25% of why we won the game.

43-8 and the most dominant defensive performance in modern SB history, a defense that held the highest statistical offense in NFL history to 8 pts.

There, how'd I do that time?

We know John, you love Russell. We get it.

 

[IndyHawk]

I agree Lane going down was huge and not carrying that other CB. Also did not seem like we even tried to make an adjustment just tried to play the same way. Seem like we gambled and lost.

The game was there at the end..Russ didn't have to throw it where he did.
Was Beast not open on short left?Russ could have bailed out left also
and scored or just throw the ball away..You keep blaming PC and defense
A defense that needed the offense to burn TOP and keep the chains going.

Second and goal with 24 seconds left before he threw the pick..

 

[toffee]

We know John, you love Russell. We get it.

Respectfully disagree with you Sgt. It ain't love no more, it's obsession.

 

[John63]

The game was there at the end..Russ didn't have to throw it where he did.
Was Beast not open on short left?Russ could have bailed out left also
and scored or just throw the ball away..You keep blaming PC and defense
A defense that needed the offense to burn TOP and keep the chains going.

Second and goal with 24 seconds left before he threw the pick..

again yes he did it was a timing pattern he had to throw it, that's how timing patterns work. 2nd and goal with 24 and they call a stupid play using wrs that had not run it that way before and neither did their jobs. And of course, the lead with 9 minutes a defense could not hold.

I can play this game all day. OR we can move on.

 

[John63]

Russell played great in SB 48, but you're delusional if you think he was even 25% of why we won the game.

43-8 and the most dominant defensive performance in modern SB history, a defense that held the highest statistical offense in NFL history to 8 pts.

There, how'd I do that time?

We know John, you love Russell. We get it.

I never said that he was 25% of why we won that game. I said he was as responsible for getting us there as the LOb and I showed the proof. Again amazing how people change the toon, narrative, and story to suit what they want.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It's 2022

 

[scutterhawk]

I agree 100%. I was pretty upbeat about our chances before the game. It just a feeling like we, despite Cam being hurt and Sherm dinged, that we'd get it done.

And then I saw Burley scratched. Probably the single biggest personnel blunder in Hawks history as it likely cost us the game. Will never understand it. The only thing that dulled the pain a bit was that after he left us, he never amounted to much. I just convinced myself that maybe something happened in the lead-up to the game that resulted in him being dropped from consideration.

But yeah, that last corner spot was crucial and as soon as Lane went down, Brady just went to work. Burley had the quicks and stickiness to hang in the slot and could have been the difference.

burley, yea, maybe, but then again maybe, just maybe if John63's Super Wilson were all he was cracked up to be and did what Tom Brady did to bring HIS team from BEHIND to retaking the lead, maybe we wouldn't be discussing how everything had funneled down to One Stinking Play.
The only thing that held Russell Wilson back in that game= Russell Wilson...Everyone was @ fault FOR THAT LOSS except Russell Wilson? LOLOL Yeah...OK.
63 keeps saying WE (meaning everyone but himself) should just "Move On", he has shown zero intentions of doing so.

 

[TwistedHusky]

It feels like that ship has sailed.
We could have doubled down on the LOB & Lynch, and got another QB. We didn't.

When we traded Unger, things were over. Then we were all in on Wilson.
The problem is we didn't have a head coach that could do anything going all in on Wilson. I don't believe that another coach couldn't have leveraged that existing team better.
At that point, we were basically a wildcard team.
Wilson did something maybe 1 or 2 QBs in the league could do - he got better under pressure. Even Pete knew to ride it. Pete just couldn't reconcile how he learned to win games wouldn't work. So he tried to win his way, flopped regularly and then hoped Wilson could bail him out. Sometimes Wilson did. But it dug such big holes for us that we regularly could not win in playoffs against better coaches.
I don't think you can argue that because Wilson didn't succeed as well without the LOB, he wouldn't have under a better coach. That was the whole point of trying to keep Wilson, because with someone else you at least have a chance at a better outcome.

I don't think you can point to any tangible upside from Carroll. Best case we end up where we already were without Wilson, just save that salary cap money. More likely we end up worse. So why bother?

I am still trying to figure out what 'success' looks like post-Wilson. Nobody seems to expect playoffs. Most doubt we will be as competitive. Apparently, people are OK losing more if we use the middle of the field because they think Wilson is sort of a knob, if not a smug self absorbed something. But that is just about feelings.

What is the realistic upside next year, year after, year after that?
Because so far, none of those upsides seem to be better than what we had, even with one of the worst defenses in the history of NFL.
We no longer have Wilson. So not sure what this is. Where we go from here is more salient...and so far the answer to 'Where do we go from here?' seems to be nowhere.


PS Lane was not a slot corner and was crappy at that. Keeping Lane instead of Burley, injured or not, was still dumb. And I liked Lane.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I never said that he was 25% of why we won that game. I said he was as responsible for getting us there as the LOb and I showed the proof. Again amazing how people change the toon, narrative, and story to suit what they want.

You haven't proven anything, other then climbing up onto your Russell Wilson cross like you always do anytime anyone dares criticize your golden god.

Yep, Russell Wilson was a very good QB, even in our SB years.

But if we're diving up into percentages what part of the SB winning team was the most important? Russell maybe gets the 25% I gave him credit for in the SB.

He didn't even crack the top 10 in any statistical category that matters that year. Yards, TD's or completion percentage.

Nasty run game and an all time great defense. That's why we won. Russell was a good QB in his 2nd year, but again you're kidding yourself if you think he was a major reason we won a SB.

 

[John63]

You haven't proven anything, other then climbing up onto your Russell Wilson cross like you always do anytime anyone dares criticize your golden god.

Yep, Russell Wilson was a very good QB, even in our SB years.

But if we're diving up into percentages what part of the SB winning team was the most important? Russell maybe gets the 25% I gave him credit for in the SB.

He didn't even crack the top 10 in any statistical category that matters that year. Yards, TD's or completion percentage.

Nasty run game and an all time great defense. That's why we won. Russell was a good QB in his 2nd year, but again you're kidding yourself if you think he was a major reason we won a SB.

Actually, I did. Just because you don't want to accept the truth does not change that it is the truth. Wilson was responsible for 4 4th qtr game-winning drives and an additional l1 in the playoffs. without them, we don't get to the Sb. Also again I never made a percentage you did. All I said was just as responsible.


Now as to any statistical category that matters, first you don't determine what matters and what doe snot. 2nd most 4th qtr game-winning drives seems pretty important. Passer rating seems pretty important, Most rushing yards by a Qb seems pretty important, YPA seems pretty important, FYI he was 9th in TDs seems pretty important.

Done that all my point is proven.

Now do you want to continue to go around and around or move on?

 

[IndyHawk]

again yes he did it was a timing pattern he had to throw it, that's how timing patterns work. 2nd and goal with 24 and they call a stupid play using wrs that had not run it that way before and neither did their jobs. And of course, the lead with 9 minutes a defense could not hold.

I can play this game all day. OR we can move on.

Watch the replay and tell me that pass was good..It was high and away.
Russ always had that short pass issue..Low to tall targets and high to short
targets.The pass had to be low and inside but was it?
If you dispute that then let's go to timing..Russ timing could have been off.
I also think Russ being in the shotgun for the obvious reason..He needs to see
hurt a lot because you can't get them guessing run or pass.I was hoping he was
going bootleg left and wish he had.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Actually, I did. Just because you don't want to accept the truth does not change that it is the truth. Wilson was responsible for 4 4th qtr game-winning drives and an additional l1 in the playoffs. without them, we don't get to the Sb. Done that all my point is proven.

Now do you want to continue to go around and around or move on?

You keep saying let's move on because Russell's gone, yet you continue to argue with everyone.

So.............move on. Or are you one of those have to have the last work kind of guys?

 

[John63]

You keep saying let's move on because Russell's gone, yet you continue to argue with everyone.

So.............move on. Or are you one of those have to have the last work kind of guys?

Well perhaps if they moved on we would not have this issue. As to the last word as long as the last word is accurate I am fine not having it.

 

[Sun Tzu]

"A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject" - Winston Churchill.