Maelstrom787":vssa6rw0 said:
Welp, you have it here, folks:
Russ didn't $h!t the bed in the second half of last year, and this guys VOLUME STATS prove it, apparently.
Try actually looking with your eyes for once, my guy. This is worse than when Andrew Luck fans tried to convince me he was better than Russ because he had more yards.
Maelstrom787":vssa6rw0 said:
PS: You SURE you want to do it for turnovers? Because he was tied for the third most picks thrown in the league last year.
That'd mean something if I was a Facebook-level commenter and listed volume stats as a primary indicator of ability, which they aren't.
Maelstrom787":vssa6rw0 said:
He's a quarterback, not a deity.
He has flaws. He exacerbates them by stubbornly adhering to a harder, less efficient way of playing football. People criticized Pete for that for years. Russ deserves the same criticism.
No one does it alone. Every single quarterback needs a supporting cast. Russell won't get anywhere by refusing to use it to his advantage. He needs to get the ball out on time and reliably. He needs to stop spinning out of the pocket, because he can't get away with it as often anymore. He needs to stop looking off perfectly good targets for low percentage passes so the chains can move.
That doesn't mean that I am saying that he's bad or judging him unfairly in any way. The team has been built around Russell. That comes with responsibility, and when he falls short, it's game on to point out the things that he needs to do better. Acting like that takes anything away from him is weirdly cultish. This isn't a religion, Russell isn't an idol, and pointing out his issues is not sin.
You're right. He's a Quarterback, and a HUMAN being. Keyword on human being.
Meaning, we should treat, and judge human beings fairly. Without biases, without agendas, and without spewing non-facts.
It's not MY stats. It's THE stats. You seem very committed to crapping on Russ though. Are you sure this is about his play? Because you're unwilling to actually argue the logic of what is being argued. Again, Russ' overall performance for 2020 was great. If he crapped the bed in the 2nd half of 2020 (he didn't, see the Jets, 49ers, and Cardinals game), then other QBs crapped the bed as well. Since most other "good" to great QBs didn't even approach 35 TDs. If your argument is that Rodgers outperformed him? So did Josh Allen. But Brady had close to as many turnovers for the year. And Russ hasn't even exceeded Mahomes, Brady, or Brees total turnovers for a season. Third most picks in a year is a weak argument.
Try JUDGING players fairly my guy. TREAT THEM like human beings, not a punching bag you get to spew nonsense about. I have a brain, just like you and I'm willing to actually debate the facts. If you want to do comparisons, we should do so in a fair and respectful way. I come on here and talk about the throws Russ missed, where he could have done better. And I've praised Pete at different points. On the other end you're consistently anti-Russ. That's not fair minded thinking.
Russ has flaws. But which flaw is it? Is it that he doesn't stay in the pocket? Oh wait, he did that under Schottenheimer since 2018. The actual numbers...show that?
Oh, is it that he doesn't score on opening drives and isn't smart enough to run coordinated plays? That was the criticism pre-2017. Remember the criticism that he was only good in the second half/4th quarter because defenses were tired and he was padding stats? Despite the game winning drives? Lol I do.
We also used to be poor in the red zone, and that was apparently because Russ can't think quickly enough in the red zone. Then Schotty came in, and we became amongst the best in opening drives, and in the red zone.
What's the other flaw? Is it that he "disappears" in the 2nd half of the season? Even though he carried a bad defense in the 1st half? And even though Pete ADMITTED to interfering? Okay, ignore those facts. But under Bevell, Russ was considered a "slow starter" and a strong finisher in November and December. What narrative will be invented next? That Russ can't adjust to the second half under Waldron? Lol. I watch the games buddy, and have watched (and re-watched) every single Seahawks game in the past 12+ years. And I've seen the QB you dislike so much, have a different narrative painted against him year by year. He knocks one down, you invent a new one.
There is a difference between pointing out issues, and nitpicking. Or just flat out going full Pete Prisco.
