Who to cheer- SF or NO....

[brettb3]

Who cares about the strength of the division?

 

[Kakaww]

I do not want to see Kap "get right" against New Orleans. The Niners have a glaring weakness right now (amongst otherwise great strength) and I'd prefer it stay that way.

 

[BocciHawk]

No freaking way that we should cheer for the 49ers. The game is at the Saints, and they should win at home. When they come here, we should beat them, we're at home. Simple, easy. If the 49ers can beat the Saints at NO, well, we're in a lot of trouble when we go to the 49ers... and that would bode very very poorly for how things might roll out the rest of the way...

 

[Lynch Mob]

I don't cheer for the Forty Whiners and i like Drew Brees.

 

[warden]

If we want to win our division and home field advantage, then it is up to us to take care of business. If we can't take care of business then we don't deserve it.

If you truly want to be the best, then you have to beat the best competition out there.

 

[AF_Hawk]

Saints. With enough luck the whiners won't even make the playoffs.

 

[Navyhawkfan187]

Who was the last #1 Overall Seed in either conference to actually win the superbowl? How well did that HFA work out for the 15-1 Packers a couple years ago? How much of the " Seahawks road woes" is made up by the media to try and push an agenda?

Why in gods green earth are we THAT worried about the #1 seed? Because we're weak pathetic whiny fans that are AFRAID. Lose the fear, win the division.

The Division is all that matters until its been decided, THEN we can worry about seeding. Remember last season when everyone was hopping on the "We hope SF beats NO because of wildcard implications" and then we lost the division by .5 games and NO didn't even come close to sniffing the playoffs? Yeah me too. I hated people like that then, and I hate people like that now. Stop the madness, NEVER openly cheer for a divisional opponent to win a game until the division has been decided.

 

[themunn]

Who was the last #1 Overall Seed in either conference to actually win the superbowl? How well did that HFA work out for the 15-1 Packers a couple years ago? How much of the " Seahawks road woes" is made up by the media to try and push an agenda?

Why in gods green earth are we THAT worried about the #1 seed? Because we're weak pathetic whiny fans that are AFRAID. Lose the fear, win the division.

The Division is all that matters until its been decided, THEN we can worry about seeding. Remember last season when everyone was hopping on the "We hope SF beats NO because of wildcard implications" and then we lost the division by .5 games and NO didn't even come close to sniffing the playoffs? Yeah me too. I hated people like that then, and I hate people like that now. Stop the madness, NEVER openly cheer for a divisional opponent to win a game until the division has been decided.

I agree to an extent, but in recent years the majority of #1 seeds have been so because they beat up on bad teams, and when the playoffs come around they get exposed.

I believe that homefield advantage would be helpful for us in that respect as it's likely we'll face tough teams like New Orleans, San Francisco or Carolina in the playoffs, but the good news is that they'll (hopefully) all be teams we've already beaten

 

[Jville]

The Division is all that matters until its been decided

That speaks to the heart of it.

 

[rideaducati]

I wrote about this exact subject this past week. For those who are thinking about rooting for San Francisco this weekend, just consider this and how that win COULD affect things as far as playoff seeding is concerned ...

I've been giving this some long and hard thought ... and in the end, I would say that rooting for New Orleans would probably be the prudent move. Let me lay it out for you why ...

Let's say that the 49ers end up winning this weekend and beating the Saints. While that might make several Seahawks fans happy in the here and now, let's play this forward and explore what could happen.

The 49ers would then be 7-3 ... and the Saints would fall to 7-3 as well. A win against the Saints would mean that the 49ers would be just 2 games behind the Seahawks for the NFC West lead.

The 49ers face the Redskins (on the road) and the Rams (at home) after that. Let's project wins in those games as well ... and say that the Seahawks win the Viking game ... and the Saints beat the Falcons in Week 12 (all plausible and predictable).

Let's further say that the Seahawks end up somehow LOSING that Monday Night matchup to the Saints. That's a good Saints team, so that's entirely possible. Let's also say that a re-energized 49ers team ends up beating the Seahawks in San Francisco in Week 14 and winning out the rest of their games.

Additionally, let's also say that the Seahawks (outside of losing to the 49ers and Saints) win the rest of their games as well.

That would change the equation quite a bit. Here’s how that would look …

San Francisco 49ers (13-3)

Week 1 – vs. Green Bay Packers [5-4] (Win 34-28)
Week 2 – at Seattle Seahawks [9-1] (Loss 3-29)
Week 3 – vs. Indianapolis Colts [6-3] (Loss 7-27)
Week 4 – at St. Louis Rams [4-6] (Win 35-11)
Week 5 – vs. Houston Texans [2-7] (Win 34-3)
Week 6 – vs. Arizona Cardinals [5-4] (Win 32-20)
Week 7 – at Tennessee Titans [4-5] (Win 31-17)
Week 8 – at Jacksonville Jaguars [1-8] (Win 42-10)
Week 9 – BYE
Week 10 – vs. Carolina Panthers [6-3] (Loss 9-10)
Week 11 – at New Orleans Saints [8-3] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 12 – at Washington Redskins [3-6] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 13 – vs. St. Louis Rams [4-6] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 14 – vs. Seattle Seahawks [9-3] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 15 – at Tampa Bay Buccaneers [1-8] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 16 – vs. Atlanta Falcons [2-7] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 17 – at Arizona Cardinals [5-4] (WIN in this scenario)


Seattle Seahawks (13-3)

Week 1 – at Carolina Panthers [6-3] (Win 12-7)
Week 2 – vs. San Francisco 49ers [6-3] (Win 29-3)
Week 3 – vs. Jacksonville Jaguars [1-8] (Win 45-17)
Week 4 – at Houston Texans [2-7] (Win 23-20)
Week 5 – at Indianapolis Colts [6-3] (Loss 28-34)
Week 6 – vs. Tennessee Titans [4-5] (Win 20-13)
Week 7 – at Arizona Cardinals [5-4] (Win 34-22)
Week 8 – at St. Louis Rams [4-6] (Win 14-9)
Week 9 – vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers [1-8] (Win 27-24)
Week 10 – at Atlanta Falcons [2-7] (Win 33-10)
Week 11—vs. Minnesota Vikings [2-7] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 12 – BYE
Week 13 – vs. New Orleans Saints [7-2] (LOSS in this scenario)
Week 14 – at San Francisco 49ers [10-3] (LOSS in this scenario)
Week 15 – at New York Giants [3-6] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 16 – vs. Arizona Cardinals [5-4] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 17 – vs. St. Louis Rams [4-6] (WIN in this scenario)


Tiebreaker #1 – Head to Head (Best Win/Loss% Between 2 Clubs) …

In this scenario, San Francisco and Seattle would each be 1-1, having won against each other. Like last time, we move on to the next tiebreaker.

Tiebreaker #2 -- Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Let's say that the Seahawks and 49ers only loss in the division is to each other (i.e. each sweeps the Rams and Cardinals and is 1-1 against each other) ...

49ers … 5-1
Seahawks … 5-1

They would be tied in this scenario, so we move on to the 3rd Tiebreaker …

Tiebreaker #3 – Best Win/Loss Percentage in Common Games …

Again, in this scenario we’ll assume that the 49ers win out the remainder of their games. Here are the games that the 49ers and Seahawks Played in Common along with their record against each …

49ers …
Indianapolis … Loss
Rams … Win
Houston … Win
Cardinals … Win
Tennessee … Win
Jacksonville … Win
Carolina … Loss
New Orleans …Win
Rams … Win
Tampa Bay … Win
Atlanta … Win
Cardinals … Win
49ers Record … 10-2

Seahawks …
Carolina … Win
Jacksonville … Win
Houston … Win
Indianapolis … Loss
Tennessee … Win
Arizona … Win
St. Louis … Win
Tampa Bay … Win
Atlanta … Win
New Orleans … Loss
Arizona … Win
St. Louis … Win
Seahawks Record … 10-2

The Seahawks and 49ers would again be tied, so we would move on to the next tiebreaker ...

Tiebreaker #4 -- Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

49ers ...
Week 1 -- Packers ... Win
Week 2 -- Seahawks ... Loss
Week 4 -- Rams ... Win
Week 6 -- Cardinals ... Win
Week 10 -- Panthers ... Loss
Week 11 -- Saints ... Win
Week 12 -- Redskins ... Win
Week 13 -- Rams ... Win
Week 14 -- Seahawks ... Win
Week 15 – Buccaneers … Win
Week 16 – Falcons … Win
Week 17 – Cardinals … Win

49ers NFC Record would be ... 10-2

Seahawks ...
Week 1 -- Panthers ... Win
Week 2 -- 49ers ... Win
Week 7 -- Cardinals ... Win
Week 8 -- Rams ... Win
Week 9 -- Buccaneers ... Win
Week 10 -- Falcons ... Win
Week 11 -- Vikings ... Win
Week 13 -- Saints ... Loss
Week 15 -- Gaints ... Win
Week 16 – Cardinals … Win
Week 17 – Rams … Win

Seahawks NFC Record would be ... 10-2

Because the Seahawks and 49ers would again be tied ... we move on to the next tiebreaker …

Tiebreaker #5 – Strength of Victory …

Here’s where the tie would probably be broken. Two games separate the Seahawks schedule from the 49ers Schedule. Here they are …

49ers …
Week 1 – Green Bay Packers [5-4 Record] Won 34-28
Week 12 – Washington Redskins [3-6 Record]
Combined Record of Opponents … 8-10

Seahawks …
Week 11 – Minnesota Vikings [2-7 Record]
Week 15 – New York Giants [3-6 Record]
Combined Record of Opponents … 5-13

Therefore, if all that played out (and it very well could) … by virtue of the schedule the 49ers would be the ones winning the NFC West – not the Seahawks. The Hawks would end up falling clear down to the #5 Seed.

So in the end, it's probably just better to hope that the Saints end up throwing the last shovel full of dirt on the 49ers this weekend rather than giving this zombie any chance to resurrect itself.

You spent WAY TOO MUCH TIME on that post. There will be no tie breakers needed because the niners will NOT beat Seattle and Seattle will not lose more than one other game.

 

[BlueTalon]

We want the 49ers to win.

They are big brother, an older, less talented version of the Seahawks. If they can beat the Saints, then likely the Seahawks should be able to, too.

Except, that kind of football algebra is completely unreliable. The result of the Saints/Digits game says absolutely nothing about how our games vs either team will turn out -- so the more important thing is how the result itself will impact us, IMO.

Tical21 spelled it out nicely.

We root for the Saints by a wide-wide margin. No-brainer. If somehow we have a worse record than the Saints after the regular season, we are going to be the #2 seed most likely, if they beat the 49ers. Also the Saints have Carolina twice more. This means we have a bye, play the divisional game at home, and only play on the road if the Saints win their divisional game. We have a bye, and one road game, max.

If we somehow end up behind the 49ers, we are the #5 seed and have to win three playoff games on the road. Keep me as far from that scenario as possible.

 

[Johnny]

Root for the Saints, If we keep winning the whiners will never catch us.

 

[Brett]

GO SAINTS !!!!

 

[Hawkscanner]

I wrote about this exact subject this past week. For those who are thinking about rooting for San Francisco this weekend, just consider this and how that win COULD affect things as far as playoff seeding is concerned ...

I've been giving this some long and hard thought ... and in the end, I would say that rooting for New Orleans would probably be the prudent move. Let me lay it out for you why ...

Let's say that the 49ers end up winning this weekend and beating the Saints. While that might make several Seahawks fans happy in the here and now, let's play this forward and explore what could happen.

The 49ers would then be 7-3 ... and the Saints would fall to 7-3 as well. A win against the Saints would mean that the 49ers would be just 2 games behind the Seahawks for the NFC West lead.

The 49ers face the Redskins (on the road) and the Rams (at home) after that. Let's project wins in those games as well ... and say that the Seahawks win the Viking game ... and the Saints beat the Falcons in Week 12 (all plausible and predictable).

Let's further say that the Seahawks end up somehow LOSING that Monday Night matchup to the Saints. That's a good Saints team, so that's entirely possible. Let's also say that a re-energized 49ers team ends up beating the Seahawks in San Francisco in Week 14 and winning out the rest of their games.

Additionally, let's also say that the Seahawks (outside of losing to the 49ers and Saints) win the rest of their games as well.

That would change the equation quite a bit. Here’s how that would look …

San Francisco 49ers (13-3)

Week 1 – vs. Green Bay Packers [5-4] (Win 34-28)
Week 2 – at Seattle Seahawks [9-1] (Loss 3-29)
Week 3 – vs. Indianapolis Colts [6-3] (Loss 7-27)
Week 4 – at St. Louis Rams [4-6] (Win 35-11)
Week 5 – vs. Houston Texans [2-7] (Win 34-3)
Week 6 – vs. Arizona Cardinals [5-4] (Win 32-20)
Week 7 – at Tennessee Titans [4-5] (Win 31-17)
Week 8 – at Jacksonville Jaguars [1-8] (Win 42-10)
Week 9 – BYE
Week 10 – vs. Carolina Panthers [6-3] (Loss 9-10)
Week 11 – at New Orleans Saints [8-3] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 12 – at Washington Redskins [3-6] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 13 – vs. St. Louis Rams [4-6] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 14 – vs. Seattle Seahawks [9-3] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 15 – at Tampa Bay Buccaneers [1-8] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 16 – vs. Atlanta Falcons [2-7] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 17 – at Arizona Cardinals [5-4] (WIN in this scenario)


Seattle Seahawks (13-3)

Week 1 – at Carolina Panthers [6-3] (Win 12-7)
Week 2 – vs. San Francisco 49ers [6-3] (Win 29-3)
Week 3 – vs. Jacksonville Jaguars [1-8] (Win 45-17)
Week 4 – at Houston Texans [2-7] (Win 23-20)
Week 5 – at Indianapolis Colts [6-3] (Loss 28-34)
Week 6 – vs. Tennessee Titans [4-5] (Win 20-13)
Week 7 – at Arizona Cardinals [5-4] (Win 34-22)
Week 8 – at St. Louis Rams [4-6] (Win 14-9)
Week 9 – vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers [1-8] (Win 27-24)
Week 10 – at Atlanta Falcons [2-7] (Win 33-10)
Week 11—vs. Minnesota Vikings [2-7] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 12 – BYE
Week 13 – vs. New Orleans Saints [7-2] (LOSS in this scenario)
Week 14 – at San Francisco 49ers [10-3] (LOSS in this scenario)
Week 15 – at New York Giants [3-6] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 16 – vs. Arizona Cardinals [5-4] (WIN in this scenario)
Week 17 – vs. St. Louis Rams [4-6] (WIN in this scenario)


Tiebreaker #1 – Head to Head (Best Win/Loss% Between 2 Clubs) …

In this scenario, San Francisco and Seattle would each be 1-1, having won against each other. Like last time, we move on to the next tiebreaker.

Tiebreaker #2 -- Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Let's say that the Seahawks and 49ers only loss in the division is to each other (i.e. each sweeps the Rams and Cardinals and is 1-1 against each other) ...

49ers … 5-1
Seahawks … 5-1

They would be tied in this scenario, so we move on to the 3rd Tiebreaker …

Tiebreaker #3 – Best Win/Loss Percentage in Common Games …

Again, in this scenario we’ll assume that the 49ers win out the remainder of their games. Here are the games that the 49ers and Seahawks Played in Common along with their record against each …

49ers …
Indianapolis … Loss
Rams … Win
Houston … Win
Cardinals … Win
Tennessee … Win
Jacksonville … Win
Carolina … Loss
New Orleans …Win
Rams … Win
Tampa Bay … Win
Atlanta … Win
Cardinals … Win
49ers Record … 10-2

Seahawks …
Carolina … Win
Jacksonville … Win
Houston … Win
Indianapolis … Loss
Tennessee … Win
Arizona … Win
St. Louis … Win
Tampa Bay … Win
Atlanta … Win
New Orleans … Loss
Arizona … Win
St. Louis … Win
Seahawks Record … 10-2

The Seahawks and 49ers would again be tied, so we would move on to the next tiebreaker ...

Tiebreaker #4 -- Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

49ers ...
Week 1 -- Packers ... Win
Week 2 -- Seahawks ... Loss
Week 4 -- Rams ... Win
Week 6 -- Cardinals ... Win
Week 10 -- Panthers ... Loss
Week 11 -- Saints ... Win
Week 12 -- Redskins ... Win
Week 13 -- Rams ... Win
Week 14 -- Seahawks ... Win
Week 15 – Buccaneers … Win
Week 16 – Falcons … Win
Week 17 – Cardinals … Win

49ers NFC Record would be ... 10-2

Seahawks ...
Week 1 -- Panthers ... Win
Week 2 -- 49ers ... Win
Week 7 -- Cardinals ... Win
Week 8 -- Rams ... Win
Week 9 -- Buccaneers ... Win
Week 10 -- Falcons ... Win
Week 11 -- Vikings ... Win
Week 13 -- Saints ... Loss
Week 15 -- Gaints ... Win
Week 16 – Cardinals … Win
Week 17 – Rams … Win

Seahawks NFC Record would be ... 10-2

Because the Seahawks and 49ers would again be tied ... we move on to the next tiebreaker …

Tiebreaker #5 – Strength of Victory …

Here’s where the tie would probably be broken. Two games separate the Seahawks schedule from the 49ers Schedule. Here they are …

49ers …
Week 1 – Green Bay Packers [5-4 Record] Won 34-28
Week 12 – Washington Redskins [3-6 Record]
Combined Record of Opponents … 8-10

Seahawks …
Week 11 – Minnesota Vikings [2-7 Record]
Week 15 – New York Giants [3-6 Record]
Combined Record of Opponents … 5-13

Therefore, if all that played out (and it very well could) … by virtue of the schedule the 49ers would be the ones winning the NFC West – not the Seahawks. The Hawks would end up falling clear down to the #5 Seed.

So in the end, it's probably just better to hope that the Saints end up throwing the last shovel full of dirt on the 49ers this weekend rather than giving this zombie any chance to resurrect itself.

You spent WAY TOO MUCH TIME on that post. There will be no tie breakers needed because the niners will NOT beat Seattle and Seattle will not lose more than one other game.

So certain are you. And the Buccaneers have absolutely ZERO chance against the Seahawks at Century Link. They don't stand a ghost of a chance to make this a game. Oh ... wait.

 

[TheHawkster]

GEAUX SAINTS!

 

[BlueTalons]

Because the Seahawks and 49ers would again be tied ... we move on to the next tiebreaker …

Tiebreaker #5 – Strength of Victory …

Here’s where the tie would probably be broken. Two games separate the Seahawks schedule from the 49ers Schedule. Here they are …

49ers …
Week 1 – Green Bay Packers [5-4 Record] Won 34-28
Week 12 – Washington Redskins [3-6 Record]
Combined Record of Opponents … 8-10

Seahawks …
Week 11 – Minnesota Vikings [2-7 Record]
Week 15 – New York Giants [3-6 Record]
Combined Record of Opponents … 5-13

Therefore, if all that played out (and it very well could) … by virtue of the schedule the 49ers would be the ones winning the NFC West – not the Seahawks. The Hawks would end up falling clear down to the #5 Seed.

So in the end, it's probably just better to hope that the Saints end up throwing the last shovel full of dirt on the 49ers this weekend rather than giving this zombie any chance to resurrect itself.

Actually, you would have to also factor in the Panthers for our SOV and Saints into the 49ers SOV. Not that it would make much difference...

 

[400WattHPSHawk]

GEAUX SAINTS!

What he said.

 

[plyka]

I don't really get it. I'm rooting for the Saints.

"A bird in hand worth 2 in the bush"
"Don't count your chickens before they hatch"
"Don't put the cart before the horse"

And most importantly-

"ON ANY GIVEN SUNDAY"

Funny, two weeks ago, people were jumping ship after the Tennessee, St. Louis and Tampa games. And now, after beating 2-7 Atlanta, many have already counted our games with New Orleans and San Francisco as automatic wins.

Personally, I feel we will finish 15-1. But, it's pretty much been accepted as a rule of thumb
-win the division first.

Lastly, when you start looking ahead in your schedule, overlooking your upcoming opponent, counting wins before you've played the game, that's when you get caught.

DESTROY SQUIDWARD!!!!!!

The most important reality in this situation is that if the niners beat the saints the hawks will have a two game lead on both teams. Meaning the hawks could lose both games against the niners and saints and if those two teams win out, they would all have the exact same record and it would go to tie breakers. If saints win they are only back a game, and with any loss the hawks could lose home field advantage.

The hawks should be shooting for #1 seed, which means two wins at home and they head to the Super Bowl. Also the saints seem I be the better team over the niners. Logically there is literally no argument to wanting the saints to win.

 

[plyka]

Who was the last #1 Overall Seed in either conference to actually win the superbowl? How well did that HFA work out for the 15-1 Packers a couple years ago? How much of the " Seahawks road woes" is made up by the media to try and push an agenda?

Why in gods green earth are we THAT worried about the #1 seed? Because we're weak pathetic whiny fans that are AFRAID. Lose the fear, win the division.

The Division is all that matters until its been decided, THEN we can worry about seeding. Remember last season when everyone was hopping on the "We hope SF beats NO because of wildcard implications" and then we lost the division by .5 games and NO didn't even come close to sniffing the playoffs? Yeah me too. I hated people like that then, and I hate people like that now. Stop the madness, NEVER openly cheer for a divisional opponent to win a game until the division has been decided.

Your post doesn't make any sense. If you take it to its logical conclusion you would be hoping that the hawks get the 6th seed.

 

[rjas77]

Root for the Saints, If we keep winning the whiners will never catch us.

Exactly.

btw...you're avatar is absolutely hilarious!