Russ 12th best player in the NFL?

[TreeRon]

He's not even in the top 10? Surprising to me. I guess people don't respect what he does. If I were him, I'd take this personally.

 

[beaumaris]

He's not even in the top 10? Surprising to me. I guess people don't respect what he does. If I were him, I'd take this personally.

Don’t worry about it Ron,just some clowns stupid opinion.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Sounds about right to me

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Yeah, it's all opinion. And come on, 12th best in the entire league? Nothing wrong with that.

He's a top 5 QB and a future HOF. He'll be just fine.

 

[AROS]

These lists are silly, regardless of if its the players voting or not. No way in Hell are there 11 players better than Russell Wilson in the NFL. Top 5 period. I get its punishment for not finishing the MVP-type season off strong but whatevs.

 

[BASF]

After watching him not taking what the defense was giving for almost half a season and failing miserably in the playoffs (as much as people make excuses and distract from the fact, the game plan was Wilson throwing against the Rams) how can any of you complain about this placement. Wilson wilted through the last half of the season when we actually faced good defenses with pass rush. Does that make him a top ten player?

 

[AROS]

After watching him not taking what the defense was giving for almost half a season and failing miserably in the playoffs (as much as people make excuses and distract from the fact, the game plan was Wilson throwing against the Rams) how can any of you complain about this placement. Wilson wilted through the last half of the season when we actually faced good defenses with pass rush. Does that make him a top ten player?

To be fair, the Top 100 is based on THIS upcoming season, so it's potential and not an indictment on a player's overall value or position in the NFL. Looking at what he has done in his entire career he is flat out a Top 5 player in the NFL. Now for the 2021 season alone? Who knows? Maybe 12 is just fine.

 

[hoxrox]

After watching him not taking what the defense was giving for almost half a season and failing miserably in the playoffs (as much as people make excuses and distract from the fact, the game plan was Wilson throwing against the Rams) how can any of you complain about this placement. Wilson wilted through the last half of the season when we actually faced good defenses with pass rush. Does that make him a top ten player?

To be fair, the Top 100 is based on THIS upcoming season, so it's potential and not an indictment on a player's overall value or position in the NFL. Looking at what he has done in his entire career he is flat out a Top 5 player in the NFL. Now for the 2021 season alone? Who knows? Maybe 12 is just fine.

I thought I heard on NFL network that player voting for this list was done around mid season. Around the time the LRC campaign started fizzling. So perhaps recency bias played a part in this voting.

 

[hgwellz12]

To be fair, the Top 100 is based on THIS upcoming season

You sure about that part Aros? I thought they did the voting at the end of the season.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Nobody does more for their team than Russell Wilson.

 

[hoxrox]

Nobody does more for their team than Russell Wilson.

It cuts both ways. His 10 turnover over 4 game stretch likely cost the team the number one seed last year.

 

[John63]

After watching him not taking what the defense was giving for almost half a season and failing miserably in the playoffs (as much as people make excuses and distract from the fact, the game plan was Wilson throwing against the Rams) how can any of you complain about this placement. Wilson wilted through the last half of the season when we actually faced good defenses with pass rush. Does that make him a top ten player?

again factually inaccurate with regards to wilting the 2nd half of the season once again I will provide you the FACTS

Passer rating last 8 games

57
120
103
78
123
73
94
88

So let's see 85 and below is considered not good he had 3 games below 85 out of 8. So sorry he did WIlt he had a few bad games but guess what all Qbs do.

 

[John63]

Nobody does more for their team than Russell Wilson.

It cuts both ways. His 10 turnover over 4 game stretch likely cost the team the number one seed last year.

except he never had 10 Tos over 4 game stretch. The most in any 4 games is 7. Now could it have cost us the #1 seed perhaps, but given our defense was giving up 27 points per game in the first 5 games of the season you would not have been in that position without Wilson.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Nobody does more for their team than Russell Wilson.

You could take just about any of the top 10 QB's in the league, remove them from their team and their team's would go from playoff contenders to below .500 records.

Brady
Rodgers
Mahomes
Jackson
Allen
Prescott (saw it last year)

Anyway, not arguing your point other than all these guys are as important to their teams as Russell is to ours. It's the nature of the position when the QB is on that elite level.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Nobody does more for their team than Russell Wilson.

It cuts both ways. His 10 turnover over 4 game stretch likely cost the team the number one seed last year.

And if he doesnt play at all, the team probably wins 3 games total.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Nobody does more for their team than Russell Wilson.

You could take just about any of the top 10 QB's in the league, remove them from their team and their team's would go from playoff contenders to below .500 records.

Brady
Rodgers
Mahomes
Jackson
Allen
Prescott (saw it last year)

Anyway, not arguing your point other than all these guys are as important to their teams as Russell is to ours. It's the nature of the position when the QB is on that elite level.

I get what your saying. Really I do, but besides the Cowboys, those other teams have more talent across the board.

 

[hoxrox]

Nobody does more for their team than Russell Wilson.

It cuts both ways. His 10 turnover over 4 game stretch likely cost the team the number one seed last year.

And if he doesnt play at all, the team probably wins 3 games total.

This is true for every NFL team unless you have a really good back up QB.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Nobody does more for their team than Russell Wilson.

You could take just about any of the top 10 QB's in the league, remove them from their team and their team's would go from playoff contenders to below .500 records.

Brady
Rodgers
Mahomes
Jackson
Allen
Prescott (saw it last year)

Anyway, not arguing your point other than all these guys are as important to their teams as Russell is to ours. It's the nature of the position when the QB is on that elite level.

I get what your saying. Really I do, but besides the Cowboys, those other teams have more talent across the board.

What do you think Kansas City or Tampa's record would be if Chad Henne or Blaine Gabbert were their QB for a full season vs Geno Smith with us?

I don't think all three records would be that different, all around or below .500.

 

[rjdriver]

Not agreeing or disagreeing with his ranking per this particular post , but my general observation has been that the national media overwhelmingly reflects on Wilson in a very positive and respectful light. He is always and universally acknowledged as one of the best QB's in the league.

By far the most acute criticism of Russell Wilson that I encounter is right here on .NET, not anywhere on the "East Coast".

 

[Maelstrom787]

After watching him not taking what the defense was giving for almost half a season and failing miserably in the playoffs (as much as people make excuses and distract from the fact, the game plan was Wilson throwing against the Rams) how can any of you complain about this placement. Wilson wilted through the last half of the season when we actually faced good defenses with pass rush. Does that make him a top ten player?

again factually inaccurate with regards to wilting the 2nd half of the season once again I will provide you the FACTS

Passer rating last 8 games

57
120
103
78
123
73
94
88

So let's see 85 and below is considered not good he had 3 games below 85 out of 8. So sorry he did WIlt he had a few bad games but guess what all Qbs do.

That's a BS, arbitrary number. 93.6 is the average. 85 is a cherry-picked mark which you used to make your argument look better. Reality is that he was average or worse in 5 out of 8 of those games, using just passer rating, which isn't a great basket to put all your eggs with anyway.

Also, this is a reply to someone complaining that he was voted the 12th best player in the league. You claiming that he was statistically bad in only 37.5% of the games doesn't strengthen your argument.