Pick #120 TE Will Dissly

[jlwaters1]

Supply was nonexistent for good blocking TEs. The position continues to become more and more finesse at the college level.

Based on that logic they should have loaded up on O-Lineman as that position group talent wise is near non-existant.

In other words, a reach is still a reach. regardless of scarcity.

Of course they should have drafted offensive linemen higher. It's the weakest position group on the team, good offensive linemen are in small supply (though there are more good offensive linemen than blocking TEs), and Connor Williams was available for the taking. Dumb decision, IMO, very reminiscent of the miss on Ryan Ramczyk last year.

I disagree, this year was a poor offensive tackle class, RT is our weakest spot, .. It wouldn't have done much good using a high pick on a guard. We had a greater need at RB.

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[jlwaters1]

1st: Go ahead and read what PC/JS said about Vannett when he was drafted.

2nd: I'm not debating his hands. I'm debating route running, and ability to seperate from NFL defenders on passing downs.

Unfortunately, they were wrong about Vennett, who started out as a receiver first and only began to advance as a blocker in his final collegiate season. Dissly's just a lot more physical than Vannett, who plays more like a basketball player. Taking Dissly is a sort of mea culpa for the difficulty they have had in finding TEs who can do both: run routes to catch the ball and be physical blockers. They think Dissly is the all-around TE they have been looking for.

They also complimented Dissly's route running, saying he can do both. But I do agree with you, at least in part, that route running is something he will need to continue to develop. It's amazing how far he has come as a TE in just a couple years. Schneider feels Dissly is the closest they have seen to Zach Miller, and he wasn't limiting that statement to just this class. That's a bold statement. Excited to watch his progress.

Actually we dont know about Vannett yet. He was 3rd on the depth chart. This is the year to see if he's a player worth keeping or not. He hasn't had the chance until now.

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[hawknation2018]

1st: Go ahead and read what PC/JS said about Vannett when he was drafted.

2nd: I'm not debating his hands. I'm debating route running, and ability to seperate from NFL defenders on passing downs.

Unfortunately, they were wrong about Vennett, who started out as a receiver first and only began to advance as a blocker in his final collegiate season. Dissly's just a lot more physical than Vannett, who plays more like a basketball player. Taking Dissly is a sort of mea culpa for the difficulty they have had in finding TEs who can do both: run routes to catch the ball and be physical blockers. They think Dissly is the all-around TE they have been looking for.

They also complimented Dissly's route running, saying he can do both. But I do agree with you, at least in part, that route running is something he will need to continue to develop. It's amazing how far he has come as a TE in just a couple years. Schneider feels Dissly is the closest they have seen to Zach Miller, and he wasn't limiting that statement to just this class. That's a bold statement. Excited to watch his progress.

Actually we dont know about Vannett yet. He was 3rd on the depth chart. This is the year to see if he's a player worth keeping or not. He hasn't had the chance until now.

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From what I have seen of him, in college and this past season, Vannett's blocking abilities were overstated.

 

[Jville]

Unfortunately, they were wrong about Vennett, who started out as a receiver first and only began to advance as a blocker in his final collegiate season. Dissly's just a lot more physical than Vannett, who plays more like a basketball player. Taking Dissly is a sort of mea culpa for the difficulty they have had in finding TEs who can do both: run routes to catch the ball and be physical blockers. They think Dissly is the all-around TE they have been looking for.

They also complimented Dissly's route running, saying he can do both. But I do agree with you, at least in part, that route running is something he will need to continue to develop. It's amazing how far he has come as a TE in just a couple years. Schneider feels Dissly is the closest they have seen to Zach Miller, and he wasn't limiting that statement to just this class. That's a bold statement. Excited to watch his progress.

Actually we dont know about Vannett yet. He was 3rd on the depth chart. This is the year to see if he's a player worth keeping or not. He hasn't had the chance until now.

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From what I have seen of him, in college and this past season, Vannett's blocking abilities were overstated.

Too be fair ...... At the time Vannett was drafted (2016), they were comparing his blocking to that of Jimmy Graham, Luke Wilson and Cooper Helfet among others ..... all of whom had disappointed with their blocking prior to Vannett's selection.

 

[hawknation2018]

From what I have seen of him, in college and this past season, Vannett's blocking abilities were overstated.

Too be fair ...... At the time Vannett was drafted (2016), they were comparing his blocking to that of Jimmy Graham, Luke Wilson and Cooper Helfet among others ..... all of whom had disappointed with their blocking prior to Vannett's selection.

True, very good point.

 

[chris98251]

When he has the ball he reminds me of Mark Bavarro, people are going to hate tackling this guy, his receiving skills and able to find the hole in zone spacing appears to be very good as well.

 

[hawknation2018]

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=17574231

Can't gif this because I'm not on my macbook, but this was a very cool TD.

 

[Ad Hawk]

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=17574231

Can't gif this because I'm not on my macbook, but this was a very cool TD.

Watching his sheer joy after crossing the line and tossing the ball away was fun to see, too.

 

[Scorpion05]

Combined with the addition of Ed Dickson, whos really good at blocking this is exciting. Also gives us versatility on offense.

We need more versatile, 3 down players. Hence why I’m sort of down on Mckissic. When he was in you KNEW we were more likely to pass the ball. I’d only be okay with McKissic in two back sets

 

[pittpnthrs]

The fact that Vannett couldn't cut into some of Willsons playing time is troubling. I think Dissly will quickly pass Vannett on the depth chart. Saying that, I hated the pick. Could have had him later in my opinion.

 

[LickMyNuts]

If he can block well and make clutch catches doesn't matter to me where he was drafted or the color of the horse he rode in on. He'll also be making chump change to do it.

 

[original poster]

You got me teetering. I just need that money shot. 3rd down against man coverage.

With that being said I am willing to recant my "reach" statement.

Simply put I do not remember Will Dissly being that fluid in terms of his route running, adjusting to the ball when it is in the air, and running after the catch. He is still raw in these areas, but he is far more advanced in these areas than I had originally recalled. I, along with many others, including the reports I have read have been sleeping on him.

Fortunately the Seahawks weren't because they got a good prospect in the 4th round, and is worthy of that selection.

I don't think he will ever be Zach Miller, but he will be close enough.

I've always highly respected your opinions Fade, but when I was reading your previous comments I was saying to myself where is he getting this stuff from?! Hats off for coming around.

Dissly will be 1B to to Dickson at 1A IMO.

With that said, things could click with Vannett this season and he could fly up the depth chart, but I've yet to see anything to feel confident about that.

 

[massari]

Are people satisfied he got taken with DE Josh Sweat and DT Maurice Hurst still on the board?

There were a lot of blocking TE's in this draft. TE Ryan Izzo was there in the 7th round.

Also, does anyone know Dissly's age? Can't find it anywhere.

 

[Grahamhawker]

Also, does anyone know Dissly's age? Can't find it anywhere.

Which is only interesting because he could pass for mid-40's.

All I found was he graduated HS in 2014, and after 4 years that would likely put him at or near the standard 22 for a college senior.

 

[massari]

Also, does anyone know Dissly's age? Can't find it anywhere.

Which is only interesting because he could pass for mid-40's.

All I found was he graduated HS in 2014, and after 4 years that would likely put him at or near the standard 22 for a college senior.

Lol yeah that's why I was wondering.

Good to know he's still about 22. Thanks.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Not just because he's a Dawg, but this guy is one hell of a blocker. Love the pick
Been watching him play at UW his entire career, and he knocks fools out at the line of scrimmage. Exactly what this team needs.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Just draft your highest ranked OLmen and maybe we don't need a blocking TE.

Exactly.

Would you like to know why teams like Philadelphia and Tennessee were so adept at running the ball on us last year?

It's because they have good blocking tight ends. Guys who can get off the line, land their blocks, and maintain them on the perimeter. It's not just about your five main guys, and never was. "Blocking TE" is a position on the rise in the NFL and I don't blame Pete and John one bit for thinking Dissly might not have lasted to the 7th.

Great pick.

 

[chris98251]

Just draft your highest ranked OLmen and maybe we don't need a blocking TE.

Exactly.

Would you like to know why teams like Philadelphia and Tennessee were so adept at running the ball on us last year?

It's because they have good blocking tight ends. Guys who can get off the line, land their blocks, and maintain them on the perimeter. It's not just about your five main guys, and never was. "Blocking TE" is a position on the rise in the NFL and I don't blame Pete and John one bit for thinking Dissly might not have lasted to the 7th.

Great pick.

Well the run game took a hit when Zack retired, we all focused on Lynch but Zack was very important as well, made up for a lot of O line issues which ever side he lined up on and curtailed his ability to be a receiver, but he did it. Graham just went thru the motions half assed if that and we seen the results and it threw the incapability of Cable and his O line scheme in our face. It really wasn't until we signed Reese and went more power run at the end of 2015 for a time that we looked like we could run the ball again.

The question most of us had was why the did not sign Reese again and why they went back to the old system when it looked like they had a fix in place starting in 2016.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

In what world is a blocking TE a bad thing? So many teams are putting TE at the end of the line to block. Zach Miller 2.0 here, at least blocking wise.

 

[Fade]

Taking a runblocking TE in the 4th, is like taking a center with the 1st overall pick. Even if he is a stud, it is the wrong choice due to positional value, and the ability to find great players at that position much later in the draft.

This was a scarcity pick due to how John Schneider sets up his draft board. Nothing more, nothing less.

Total nonsense, there's no such thing as "positional value" in the 4th round.. In rounds 4-7 your trying to get role players who might develop into a starter. I like this pick. Because these 3 guys all can block.. This is Vannetts year to prove he's a good player. When he was picked PC and JS said he was the best blocker 2.
This pick just adds to the competition, while also getting someone with a higher upside due to his relative newness to the position.

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You're about a round off on that, that begins more in the 5th.


In the 4th round. You're trying to get a prospect that has a high probability of being a future starting player in the 4th rd. He is likely more raw, but definitely flashed starter ability, not a just a guy who can make the team and lightly contribute for his career. That is why I was originally poo-pooing the pick, but those .gifs put me in my place. Will Dissly has the skill set to be a starting TE in the NFL, if he was just a plodder, who couldn't track the ball, and only a blocking specialist, he would be a reach. Those players can be had in the back end of the draft. 6-7-UDFA.