Marlin Man":3k76oybu said:can't wait to see how many draft picks we get for an AVERAGE (at best) GM
Ya might want to catch up with current events on that subject.
Marlin Man":3k76oybu said:can't wait to see how many draft picks we get for an AVERAGE (at best) GM
Tinymac2":34ka2efm said:You build us a team that wins a super bowl, your elite in my book.
Our 1st pick 2013, #62. In 2014, #45. In 2015 #63. How many new guys where making this team in 13,14, and 15?
MontanaHawk05":3tm63ahr said:Where the 2014-2015 drafts really failed was their total lack of depth. You have to find SOME workable depth in your drafts. Those drafts gave us a couple of starters each - in some cases very good ones (Frank Clark) - but then dropped off entirely after that. That's what's rough. Most of them never even saw the field. Some of that might actually have been because the guys ahead of them were just ridiculously good, so in a sense, the 2010-2012 drafts might have partially blocked the emergence of later drafts. But in the majority of cases, they were just really bad players. Three guys from 2015 didn't even last the season.
MontanaHawk05":2lhzqcj6 said:Tinymac2":2lhzqcj6 said:You build us a team that wins a super bowl, your elite in my book.
Our 1st pick 2013, #62. In 2014, #45. In 2015 #63. How many new guys where making this team in 13,14, and 15?
If you're going to trade down for more picks and sacrifice first-round talent, you'd better be able to get good depth with those picks you obtain. Seattle didn't. Like, at all.
2013 I kinda understand because it was a bad draft. But we got NO depth out of that, and it caught up to us in 2016 and 2017.
Jville":17niql0y said:Last year, I recall John Schneider expressing regret over the number of player agents looking to other less competitive rosters as destinations for represented clients.
I suspect that will change considerably this year.
The route for talent acquisition varies from year to year.
Tinymac2":p9sfs4iv said:MontanaHawk05":p9sfs4iv said:Tinymac2":p9sfs4iv said:You build us a team that wins a super bowl, your elite in my book.
Our 1st pick 2013, #62. In 2014, #45. In 2015 #63. How many new guys where making this team in 13,14, and 15?
If you're going to trade down for more picks and sacrifice first-round talent, you'd better be able to get good depth with those picks you obtain. Seattle didn't. Like, at all.
2013 I kinda understand because it was a bad draft. But we got NO depth out of that, and it caught up to us in 2016 and 2017.
Agree. Not a huge trade down guy. I think, but I'm not sure, we traded those picks. Possible Harvin and Graham? My point was just to give context as where we picked.
EverydayImRusselin":t27l1cmy said:I think you are ignoring the big trades involved in these drafts too. Percy and Jimmy. I don't think anyone will say those trades worked out, but giving up your 1st rd pick in 2 drafts is a big loss if you aren't getting something out of it.
You're not wrong, but often injuries are an external factor outside of anybody's control. Anybody can get hurt if they get rolled up on or hit too high or too low.Bigpumpkin":x3rcx556 said:Bottom line.....John and Pete "need" to be able to determine who is "injury prone". Our SB year was nearly injury free. This past year was a physical disaster. Good players have to stay healthy....period!
Cyrus12":1im3fcqh said:Potentially losing JS had me thinking about our last few drafts. I didn't realize how bad they have Ben and why we may be on a downhill slide. A lot more misses than anything especially at o line. I denoted a pass for most of this years class for a wait and see. Here is the last 5 yrs....
2017
Malik McDowell-looks like a BUST. Huge character issues regardless.
Ethan Pocic- pass
Nazair Jones- looked good to me
Shaquill Griffin- gonna be a good one
Delano Hill- pass
Amara Darboh- pass
Tedric Thompson- pass
Mike Tyson- pass
Justin Senior- who?
David Moore- pass
Chris Carson- looked like he might be our next Shaun. Maybe
2016
Germain Ifedi- huge BUST
Jarran Reed- looks okay
C.J. Prosise- injury BUST
Nick Vannett- guess we will see next year
Rees Odhiambo- back up plug
Quinton Jefferson- seems to be hurt a lot
Alex Collins- gone...now looks good..
Joey Hunt- no thanks
Kenny Lawler- someone give this guy a burger to eat.
Zac Brooks- gone
2015
Frank Clark- good and will get better
Tyler Lockett- injury slowed him.back on track
Terry Poole- who?
Mark Glowinski- back up plug
Tye Smith- he still around?
Obum Gwacham- who?
Kristjan Sokoli- gone
Ryan Murphy- who?
2014
Paul Richardson- lots of injuries. Now looks good but gone in the off season.
Justin Britt- one of the only decent ol picks.
Cassius Marsh- terrible
Kevin Norwood- just not good
Kevin Pierre-Louis- fizzled out
Jimmy Staten- who?
Garrett Scott- who?
Eric Pinkins- never did much
Kiero Small- pre season hero
2013
Christine Michael- BUST
Jordan Hill-BUST
Chris Harper - BUST
Jesse williams- health issues
Tharold Simon- garbage
Luke Wilson- best pick in this class.
Spencer Ware- character issue then got good
Ryan Seymour- who?
Ty Powell- who?
Jared Smith- who?
Michael Bowtie- was better than other picks at ol.
chris98251":331sjfb6 said:Britt was a bust draft pick, he could not play Guard or Tackle which was the reason for the pick, he was salvaged when we made the Graham trade to play Center and it worked out wonderfully for him and the Seahawks. We can do the same thing at Linebacker and the D line as well move a player to a position that he can adapt and fit in with in our system.
AgentDib":3k9393no said:You're not wrong, but often injuries are an external factor outside of anybody's control. Anybody can get hurt if they get rolled up on or hit too high or too low.Bigpumpkin":3k9393no said:Bottom line.....John and Pete "need" to be able to determine who is "injury prone". Our SB year was nearly injury free. This past year was a physical disaster. Good players have to stay healthy....period!
I've seen four or five posts just over the last week of fans lamenting the loss of James Carpenter, who had season ending injury after season ending injury with us but then has gone on to stay relatively healthy after leaving. Meanwhile Jimmy Graham's impact here was majorly hindered by injury when up until that point he had been remarkably healthy over his career. There's simply a large random factor that underlies NFL injury outcomes.
It's important for players and coaches need to discount the role of injury and embody the next man up philosophy because that gives them the best chance of winning the next game. For some reasons fans tend to get sucked into that vortex as well, however, and that leads to a bunch of silly fan superstition and nonsense about not making excuses for injuries. In reality, it's one of the major factors behind roster strength every year and it's mostly random.