Odd man out

[FrodosFinger]

We probably have a top 3 WR core and might even be the best now with the addition of JSN but who is our 4th receiver Dee Eskridge or Dareke Young?
I’m thinking Young personally but with the way Geno has been pumping up Dee this Spring I’m beginning to wonder. I think Young brings a bigger, more reliable target. Is Dee the odd man out?

 

[CPHawk]

Dee is basically nothing. Not sure you can count on him to even make the team. Hopefully the UDFA lives up to his potential

 

[FrodosFinger]

Dee is basically nothing. Not sure you can count on him to even make the team. Hopefully the UDFA lives up to his potential

Starting to agree. I just don’t get the hype from Pete and Geno talking like he’s Tyreke Hill or some shit. He’s proven nothing except that he can’t stay on the field

 

[onanygivensunday]

Hopefully the UDFA lives up to his potential.

Not sure who you're talking about, but regardless, I don't follow the logic, which begs the question... exactly what is the potential of an UDFA?

 

[FrodosFinger]

Not sure who you're talking about, but regardless, I don't follow the logic, which begs the question... exactly what is the potential of an UDFA?

Bobo from UCLA

 

[CouchLogic]

...Geno has been pumping up Dee this Spring I’m beginning to wonder.

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[FrodosFinger]

I'll believe it when I see it.

Same

 

[FPD]

Starting to agree. I just don’t get the hype from Pete and Geno talking like he’s Tyreke Hill or some shit. He’s proven nothing except that he can’t stay on the field

100% this. Like they say, the best ability is availability! So far, Dee doesn't have that ability.

 

[CPHawk]

Not sure who you're talking about, but regardless, I don't follow the logic, which begs the question... exactly what is the potential of an UDFA?

Landers. 6’5 runs a 4.37 40. Maybe he can snag the 5th wr spot, maybe not. But he has the tools

 

[Smellyman]

Landers. 6’5 runs a 4.37 40. Maybe he can snag the 5th wr spot, maybe not. But he has the tools

but wasn't great in college

 

[Mick063]

All I care about is the next Ricardo Lockett. Now that was salary cap value. Affordable. Available. A guy that can cover punts like a madman and still make a couple of great catches in the Super Bowl. I think the undrafted rook from Arkansas comes closest to potentially fulfilling that vision.

 

[Hawkmode]

A luxury to complain about? JSN demands immediate respect as WR3...so WR4/5 will be specialists with spot appearances with heavy doses of Special Teams roles...gunners/returners. Dee has not given up and still trying to escape "pretender" status into "contender" role for Geno's attention. We all call Tariq the freak...but Dareke is kinda a freak as well...

Dareke Young has immense athleticism coupled with LB size (like DK). Tariq (the Freak) is a converted WR while Dareke is a WR blend of DK/Riq in his athleticism/size.

DK (6'3" 228) 34.9" arm length with 4.33 speed (40 yd dash)/ 40.5"(vert)/ 1.48 (10 yd split) with 4.5 (shuttle) and 7.38 (3 cone).

Dareke (6'2" 224) 32 5/8" arm length with 4.44 speed (40 yd dash)/ 37"(vert)/ 1.54 (10 yd split) with 4.19 (shuttle) and 6.88 (3 cone).

Woolen (6'4" 205) 33 5/8" arm length with 4.26 speed (40 yd dash)/ 42"(vert)/ 1.47 (10 yd split) with 4.3 (shuttle) and 7.10 (3 cone).

DK also had 27 reps of 225lbs in bench press while Dareke had 22 reps compared to Tariq who had 12 reps.

Dareke is waiting in the wings while being a ST demon (as if DK/Tyriq were playing on ST)

 

[bileever]

I know it's early, but I think Jake Bobo might sneak in there. I know he didn't test well, but the guy just gets open and catches the ball. Highlights from last year:

Does Dee Eskridge make it this year as the kick returner? Or does his concussion history rule him out? I loved Godwin Igwebuike last year, but it doesn't look like he's coming back. Dareke Young is still just unrealized potential. In his best year, he had 25 total catches in college. And he played at Lenor-Rhyne, a division II school. The interesting thing about him is that he also had 49 rushes his junior year and an average of 6.8 yards per carry. The poor man's Deebo Samuel, maybe?

Bobo was more productive in college with 57 catches (14.3 average yards per catch) last year, and 74 receptions the year before. I think production in a tougher conference translates better than performance on athletic tests. Not saying that Bobo's a superstar, just that I think he may have an edge over Dareke Young.

 

[oldhawkfan]

I know it's early, but I think Jake Bobo might sneak in there. I know he didn't test well, but the guy just gets open and catches the ball. Highlights from last year:

Does Dee Eskridge make it this year as the kick returner? Or does his concussion history rule him out? I loved Godwin Igwebuike last year, but it doesn't look like he's coming back. Dareke Young is still just unrealized potential. In his best year, he had 25 total catches in college. And he played at Lenor-Rhyne, a division II school. The interesting thing about him is that he also had 49 rushes his junior year and an average of 6.8 yards per carry. The poor man's Deebo Samuel, maybe?

Bobo was more productive in college with 57 catches (14.3 average yards per catch) last year, and 74 receptions the year before. I think production in a tougher conference translates better than performance on athletic tests. Not saying that Bobo's a superstar, just that I think he may have an edge over Dareke Young.

What kind of offense did Dareke Young play in, in college? Did he have a viable QB who could get him the ball? These things matter. I remember going to a preseason game in the kingdome. Very late in the 4th quarter, the guy who was vying for the 3rd or PS string QB was put in the game. Nick Arellanes(?). The Seahawks had a nice lead. There was about 3-4 minutes left in the game. This QB was just handing the ball off each play. The offense really moved the ball up until then. I remember distinctly a woman sitting in front of me yelling to get him out of the game because he was awful. Situational awareness matters!

 

[bileever]

What kind of offense did Dareke Young play in, in college? Did he have a viable QB who could get him the ball? These things matter. I remember going to a preseason game in the kingdome. Very late in the 4th quarter, the guy who was vying for the 3rd or PS string QB was put in the game. Nick Arellanes(?). The Seahawks had a nice lead. There was about 3-4 minutes left in the game. This QB was just handing the ball off each play. The offense really moved the ball up until then. I remember distinctly a woman sitting in front of me yelling to get him out of the game because he was awful. Situational awareness matters!

To answer your question, the year that Young had the most catches, 2019, his QB was Grayson Willingham, who broke the school record for most TD passes. Lenoir Rhyne went 13-1, and the QB finished with 26 TDs and a 165.9 QB rating. So I would say that the offense and QB play was not holding Young back.

 

[Jerhawk]

Landers. 6’5 runs a 4.37 40. Maybe he can snag the 5th wr spot, maybe not. But he has the tools

Great post. Beat me to it.

This kids going to be special.

*gets cut at end of pre-season*

 

[Hawkmode]

To answer your question, the year that Young had the most catches, 2019, his QB was Grayson Willingham, who broke the school record for most TD passes. Lenoir Rhyne went 13-1, and the QB finished with 26 TDs and a 165.9 QB rating. So I would say that the offense and QB play was not holding Young back.

Good intel gathering but context is important ...what role did WR expectations have? I think they did a lot of Wing-T or Wish-Bone type formations where their WR gained impact as runners and blockers making scant WR scouting a bit more challenging which is why I was showing athletic traits that offer more insight than actual performance stats for coaches using WR in non traditional roles. Sanjay Lal is just the right kind of WR coach to translate skill traits from a DIV II background into useful NFL level abilities.

 

[Hawkmode]

I know it's early, but I think Jake Bobo might sneak in there. I know he didn't test well, but the guy just gets open and catches the ball. Highlights from last year:

Does Dee Eskridge make it this year as the kick returner? Or does his concussion history rule him out? I loved Godwin Igwebuike last year, but it doesn't look like he's coming back. Dareke Young is still just unrealized potential. In his best year, he had 25 total catches in college. And he played at Lenor-Rhyne, a division II school. The interesting thing about him is that he also had 49 rushes his junior year and an average of 6.8 yards per carry. The poor man's Deebo Samuel, maybe?

Bobo was more productive in college with 57 catches (14.3 average yards per catch) last year, and 74 receptions the year before. I think production in a tougher conference translates better than performance on athletic tests. Not saying that Bobo's a superstar, just that I think he may have an edge over Dareke Young.

You added "And he played...division II school" almost like a "knock". Jerry Rice came from Mississippi State Valley (Div II) excellent production for a WR with 4.6 speed...but still DivII? Young won his roster spot...not "lucked" into it...what are expectations when DK and Tyler and higher drafted talent Like Dee Eskridge are clogging easy access. Good Luck is the meeting between hard work and opportunity. Dareke is putting in the hard work...this is the NFL and many fates are based on that elusive opportunity...as Geno can attest to...Just saying

 

[toffee]

A luxury to complain about? JSN demands immediate respect as WR3...so WR4/5 will be specialists with spot appearances with heavy doses of Special Teams roles...gunners/returners. Dee has not given up and still trying to escape "pretender" status into "contender" role for Geno's attention. We all call Tariq the freak...but Dareke is kinda a freak as well...

Dareke Young has immense athleticism coupled with LB size (like DK). Tariq (the Freak) is a converted WR while Dareke is a WR blend of DK/Riq in his athleticism/size.

DK (6'3" 228) 34.9" arm length with 4.33 speed (40 yd dash)/ 40.5"(vert)/ 1.48 (10 yd split) with 4.5 (shuttle) and 7.38 (3 cone).

Dareke (6'2" 224) 32 5/8" arm length with 4.44 speed (40 yd dash)/ 37"(vert)/ 1.54 (10 yd split) with 4.19 (shuttle) and 6.88 (3 cone).

Woolen (6'4" 205) 33 5/8" arm length with 4.26 speed (40 yd dash)/ 42"(vert)/ 1.47 (10 yd split) with 4.3 (shuttle) and 7.10 (3 cone).

DK also had 27 reps of 225lbs in bench press while Dareke had 22 reps compared to Tariq who had 12 reps.

Dareke is waiting in the wings while being a ST demon (as if DK/Tyriq were playing on ST)

WOW, Dareke's combine scores were wonderful, especially his 3 cones and shuttle.

 

[bileever]

You added "And he played...division II school" almost like a "knock". Jerry Rice came from Mississippi State Valley (Div II) excellent production for a WR with 4.6 speed...but still DivII? Young won his roster spot...not "lucked" into it...what are expectations when DK and Tyler and higher drafted talent Like Dee Eskridge are clogging easy access. Good Luck is the meeting between hard work and opportunity. Dareke is putting in the hard work...this is the NFL and many fates are based on that elusive opportunity...as Geno can attest to...Just saying

I get your point, and I agree that Dareke Young is an athletic marvel. But it hasn't translated into productive numbers yet, on the college or NFL level. And I know lots of great players come from lesser programs, like Tariq Woolen from UTSA. Cooper Kupp came from Eastern Washington, and even though that's a D1 school, it's not exactly a powerhouse. What I meant is that by contrast, Jake Bobo has succeeded in a pretty tough D1 conference.

I'm just saying that most often--not always, but often--actual production is a better indicator of future success than performance on athletic tests. (Case in point, Cooper Kupp--great college career numbers, not so great combine numbers.)

I like Dareke Young, and I hope we keep him on the practice squad if he doesn't make the 53-man roster. All I'm saying is don't be surprised if Jake Bobo plays his way ahead of Dareke. Pure speculation at this point, way ahead of training camp and preseason games. I don't know anymore than anyone else here, probably less than most of you.