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92 and a postseason. We're due.
I beg to differ.TwistedHusky":1tky1k91 said:"........ and Howard Lincoln will still be a clueless doofus."
He isn't clueless.
The failure to generate results is by intent. They succeed just enough to keep interest intact, nothing more.
As is their continued activity to block the growth/opportunity for new sports franchises in the region.
TwistedHusky":26swvgak said:Maybe, but I know this - roughly 4-5 years ago an associate of mine shared a story about the Mariners - given one of my software contacts was going to get a startup I was advising an in with them. He was fairly connected, having worked with Guy Kawasaki and was building AI & analytics engine which his software company decided to use for scouting.
(Now it had already been used to scout QBs for example the #1 quality we found that a college QB had that tended to indicate success in the pros was 4th quarter comebacks against top 25 teams...even given the subjective nature of how a team gets rated #25 and that good teams tend to have less comebacks in general. The # was % success rate on comebacks in that time period vs # of chances. But I digress...)
His analytics engine could reliably identify key characteristics that players that contribute in playoff runs tend to have, and combined with some of the objective data weighing - it was tremendously successful at taking blind submissions and identifying the star players in the mix based on their college #s. The pitch was the Mariners would be able to identify the kinds of players that would lead to playoff runs.
The problem? The Mariners DID NOT WANT to go to the playoffs. Their goal was to be the top 10 in attendance, but did not want to regularly get too far in the playoffs because players became more visible and would be harder to resign - as they became visible (The Seahawks can tell you about this issue now but I think they would still prefer having gotten the SB). Additionally, performance in the playoffs mattered for arbitration. And they were very clear WHY.
Clearly, I don't think he ended up moving forward.
Either way, the Mariners didn't want to win. Maybe they do now, but I really, really doubt it. People at the top of an organization do not stay that long without delivering results. So if the Mariners never produce on the field, you have to ask yourself what the results they ARE producing that allow them to be so steadfastly supported by the organization.
The experiences shared with me, from sources I trust, suggest onfield performance is not at all a KPI for success for the organization. They want tickets sold, seats filled - and don't care how it happens.
Be aware, dancing groundskeepers are cheaper than closers.....
pehawk":1kmv37ox said:Great post and 100% true. I don't get an incompetence vibe from Mariners ownership, more just a non baseball vibe. Cano was signed only because the Seahawks won the SB and they needed to not get lost in all our admiration. It was obvious.
Everything they do is to just keep enough interest. That's it. Nothing more or less. They're the model for Jed in the Bay.
hawksfansinceday1":3aa6owgr said:Uncle Si, "NET hottie"??
WTF? How low have the standards gotten here?
I jest. I agree with you that it isn't 'purposeful mediocrity' but no surprise because I don't agree with TH's assertion that trading Max Unger was the sole reason the Hawks didn't win the Super Bowl this past season either. But to each their own. I do agree with Hernia's rant about Lincoln though. My hope is that he leaves DiPoto alone and he's successful in his approach.
Spot on!pehawk":27o7z7an said:TwistedHusky":27o7z7an said:Maybe, but I know this - roughly 4-5 years ago an associate of mine shared a story about the Mariners - given one of my software contacts was going to get a startup I was advising an in with them. He was fairly connected, having worked with Guy Kawasaki and was building AI & analytics engine which his software company decided to use for scouting.
(Now it had already been used to scout QBs for example the #1 quality we found that a college QB had that tended to indicate success in the pros was 4th quarter comebacks against top 25 teams...even given the subjective nature of how a team gets rated #25 and that good teams tend to have less comebacks in general. The # was % success rate on comebacks in that time period vs # of chances. But I digress...)
His analytics engine could reliably identify key characteristics that players that contribute in playoff runs tend to have, and combined with some of the objective data weighing - it was tremendously successful at taking blind submissions and identifying the star players in the mix based on their college #s. The pitch was the Mariners would be able to identify the kinds of players that would lead to playoff runs.
The problem? The Mariners DID NOT WANT to go to the playoffs. Their goal was to be the top 10 in attendance, but did not want to regularly get too far in the playoffs because players became more visible and would be harder to resign - as they became visible (The Seahawks can tell you about this issue now but I think they would still prefer having gotten the SB). Additionally, performance in the playoffs mattered for arbitration. And they were very clear WHY.
Clearly, I don't think he ended up moving forward.
Either way, the Mariners didn't want to win. Maybe they do now, but I really, really doubt it. People at the top of an organization do not stay that long without delivering results. So if the Mariners never produce on the field, you have to ask yourself what the results they ARE producing that allow them to be so steadfastly supported by the organization.
The experiences shared with me, from sources I trust, suggest onfield performance is not at all a KPI for success for the organization. They want tickets sold, seats filled - and don't care how it happens.
Be aware, dancing groundskeepers are cheaper than closers.....
Great post and 100% true. I don't get an incompetence vibe from Mariners ownership, more just a non baseball vibe. Cano was signed only because the Seahawks won the SB and they needed to not get lost in all our admiration. It was obvious.
Everything they do is to just keep enough interest. That's it. Nothing more or less. They're the model for Jed in the Bay.
Hawk-Lock":27etlrg2 said:FWIW, most sportsbooks have the M's season win total at 82 wins.