"Jimmy bashing" from PFT

[scutterhawk]

Great piece. Seattle truly may be where big name pass catchers come to die. I am very disappointed that yet again Bevell and the offensive staff cannot seem to figure out how to utilize an incredible offensive weapon. His blocking needs to improve, but that should not be the focus, as the article points out. He's not a blocking TE. Why trade for him if you don't want to have him play to his amazing strengths?

Gronk?, Gonzo?
IF there's a chance of uploading an additional skillset, and making him an even BETTER Offensive weapon, and you don't at least try, you're not doing everything you need to do for HIM nor the TEAM.
The problem right now, is that everyone on the O-Line is in a scramble to get everything tightened up, they're not Pass or run blocking for sour owl shit, so I most certainly wouldn't expect that Graham is going to learn good blocking technique right off the bat, especially if he's never been asked to do it in NO (maybe never adding to his amazing strengths)

 

[HawKnPeppa]

I don't know what he said in that article that isn't correct?

It's hyperbole, so you're naturally on his wavelength.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

Great piece. Seattle truly may be where big name pass catchers come to die. I am very disappointed that yet again Bevell and the offensive staff cannot seem to figure out how to utilize an incredible offensive weapon. His blocking needs to improve, but that should not be the focus, as the article points out. He's not a blocking TE. Why trade for him if you don't want to have him play to his amazing strengths?

Gronk?, Gonzo?
IF there's a chance of uploading an additional skillset, and making him an even BETTER Offensive weapon, and you don't at least try, you're not doing everything you need to do for HIM nor the TEAM.
The problem right now, is that everyone on the O-Line is in a scramble to get everything tightened up, they're not Pass or run blocking for sour owl shit, so I most certainly wouldn't expect that Graham is going to learn good blocking technique right off the bat, especially if he's never been asked to do it in NO (maybe never adding to his amazing strengths)

Overall, he is progressing. You don't go from little-to-no blocking at all to a Zack-Miller-Caliber inline blocker in 4 games. He's blowing up guys when he's sure who to block. What Cable should drill into him is JUST HIT SOMEBODY in he's confused. He would take a lot less flack that way, and I think it'll help get into a groove with the inline stuff, just by trial and error if anything else....just hit somebody in the opposite jersey instead of spinning around and worrying he will be wrong.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

Why do some Seahawk fans get so defensive any time someone has a little bit of criticism about our team. Everything in that article is true. It's not like Florio wrote an article that is based on opinion. He simply quoted a bunch of people and then added some to it.

 

[netskier]

Perhaps because some fans treat their adulation as a religion instead of an interest in a chess game in violent physical space. Tribalism too.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I don't know what he said in that article that isn't correct?

It's hyperbole, so you're naturally on his wavelength.

What is hyperbole in that piece?

The fact NFL analysts said hes a terrible teammate because he is having a difficult time being a blocking TE, when he has never in his career been a blocking TE?

Or the fact we continue to try to force him to be a blocking TE when he has never in his career been a blocking TE?

Look forward to your future input of bitching why Jimmy isn't getting the ball or why we are wasting him trying to get him to block .. which is in line with MOST Seahawk fans thinking right now and *gasp* is EXACTLY WHAT EVIL MIKE FLORIO SAID.

Why do some Seahawk fans get so defensive any time someone has a little bit of criticism about our team. Everything in that article is true. It's not like Florio wrote an article that is based on opinion. He simply quoted a bunch of people and then added some to it.

Thank god someone can actually read and understand something.

 

[drdiags]

To me Jimmy Graham is a Luke Willson replacement. Both seem to block with the same effectiveness. I was hoping McCoy could have been the #2 TE or Helfert could step into that role. I like Willson but every target I see him getting this season is a punch in the gut, when that should be Graham.

The Seahawks need a Gronk type TE, Graham is the same role as a Hernandez. Though Hernandez probably was a more willing blocker.

To not throw Graham 3-4 50/50 balls just seem like a waste. Hell, the team is turning over the ball anyway so un-pucker Wilson/Bevell and Pete and find out whether your new toy can help this dumpster fire of an offense.

How in the heck can a team misuse such an obvious talent just blows my mind. This year's offense reminds me of the 80's with Krieg doing his "soapdish" moves. 40 yrs and this team still has only had a patch-work offense.

Even Holmgren's offenses were meh. I got to witness a Superbowl victory before I died and I got a legendary defense. Can we please have a cut-throat, high octane offense before I leave this planet?

 

[drdiags]

Dream scenario would have been a healthy Zach Miller as your blocking TE with Graham you pass-catching TE.

 

[Hawk-Lock]

I know this has been brought up before, but why not just use Jimmy as a WR. No in-line blocking at all. Just split him out wide and have him replace Kearse who is basically a non factor in a lot of games.

 

[jammerhawk]

Meh, Florio is just selling clicks over at his site. He frequently writes all sorts of rubbish. Accepting what he writes as 'news' is a huge mistake.

I frankly doubt the Seahawks players agree that Graham is not a good team mate. Once Pete convinces Bevell that Graham is capable of being open on most plays by reason of his height mismatch and Bevell actually makes some adjustments that work Graham will start producing big time for the Hawks if RW is allowed to target him.

I agree the PFT article was gratuitous Jimmy bashing.

Really? Thats how bad the Bevell hate has gotten? Wilson is purposely told to not throw Graham the ball? Newsflash, Graham has run a ton of routes. Russells not throwing the ball. Hes to overly concerned with turnovers and hasnt figured it out yet. Bevell is not the reason Graham doesnt have more catches.

Yep, he has been targeted more since the GB game when he had 2 passes thrown to him. After that even Pete said Graham needed to be targeted more in our offensive scheme. Thing is he should be targeted more on quick hitting plays that force the opposing Ds to back off from the LOS. Russell appears to be restricted in throwing to players who are covered. You think it's on him and I think it's more bad play design and that's on Bevell.

I am clearly NOT a fan of Bevell, apparently you are,I can live with that; I just wish your guy would design plays that back off or punish blitzes or plays that actually happen quickly. Given the woeful reality of the absence of pass blocking ability shown to date by our OLine, it would seem that designing an O that worked at getting rid of the ball quicker should be a priority. Putting the blame all on Russell seems a stretch.

I also think Florio frequently writes a lot of nonsense.

 

[Cartire]

I am clearly NOT a fan of Bevell, apparently you are,I can live with that, I just wish your guy would design plays that back off or punish blitzes or plays that actually happen quickly. Given the woeful reality of the absence of pass blocking ability shown to date by our OLine, it would seem that designing an O that worked at getting rid of the ball quicker should be a priority. Putting the blame all on Russell seems a stretch.

I also think Florio frequently writes a lot of nonsense.

Hardly a fan. I just dont fall for the easy ploy of blaming a singular man when there is 22 professionals on a field, and a plethora of coaches, all at the same time.

I dont know how you can say he needs to punish blitzes when RW was 7/7 for 91 against the blitz. Also, this is gonna come as a shock to most people, but just heard it from Fox13, Graham has been targeted on 22% of RW's throws. More then Brees at this point last year.

Also, not putting the blame all on him. His line is the top dog when it comes to blame and its deserved. But he carries his mistakes too that add up with everyone elses.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Dream scenario would have been a healthy Zach Miller as your blocking TE with Graham you pass-catching TE.

I agree completely, and yet am also puzzled by the lack of interest in bringing a blocking TE on board (Moeaki) and either trading Luke (not sure there would be a market for him) or cutting Helfet to make room for said player.

And I find it very disconcerting that they are misusing yet another explosive offensive weapon, the lone difference being Jimmy is a much better locker room guy than Harvin.

 

[HansGruber]

Its almost comical how florio has a full scale assault on this team since we started winning
He is the author of 99% of the negative articles
What is his agenda?
I find myself getting very angry and just need to
avoid his site like I now avoid any thing pricksco hacks
I wish he was liable himself for it.
Must be total jealousy.

PFT was originally a stealers site. He's a huge stealers fan.

He started getting really nasty about the Seahawks shortly after XL. He even wrote some pathetic article about Seahawks fans being whiny shortly after XL that looked like it was written by a teenage homer. It was really odd because much of his writing was actually kinda decent but he just gets really childish about the Seahawks.

I love it personally. You don't want to be liked.

 

[HansGruber]

I don't know what he said in that article that isn't correct?

I preface my comment from the perspective that I rarely read an article knowing who the author may be beforehand if possible. I don't want any preconceived notions or personal bias affecting my evaluation of the material before I have consumed it.

That being said, I have come to the realization that Florio is generally a Patriots blogger that occasionally writes uninspiring pieces about teams he deems to have a neutral relationship with, and mostly snarky articles about teams he has some animus towards. His reasons are his own and I say this having no idea who his personally professed team is or where he comes from etc...

Recently, he was basically falling on the sword upwards of three times a day screaming about the injustice of the Deflategate controversy and the railroading Brady was getting. Nevermind how one may feel about this particular contoversy, his pandering to one side of the story eliminated him from contention as an actual neutral journalist.

He is very subtle about it (I think his Lawyer-ey background shows through in this). Take for example his reporting of:

The batted ball controvery and this quote from him:

"Amazingly, the non-replacement officials missed the call, a little more than three years after replacement officials missed an offensive pass interference foul that allowed the Seahawks to steal a late win over the Packers on a Monday night".

He doesnt' talk about the judgement call of catch/interception.

He mentions that a clear foul (but still a judgement call), one that in most all previous discussions has been determined is never called in that situation (replacement officials or not) allowed us to "STEAL" (a very carefully selected word I assure you). This has no bearing on todays situation, but he needs to make it clear that the Seahawks repeatedly benefit from poor calls using action words like STEAL conjuring subtle imagery of some sort of malicious intent.

From today:

"Maybe he can rush the passer, too. Cover receivers. Kick extra points. If being a “teammate” in the eyes of Darren Woodson requires embracing everything about football, maybe Graham also should play some quarterback. (At least he’d be able to see over the team’s makeshift offensive line.)"

He was on a roll here with hyperbole but that wasn't enough, he had to use parenthesis to take a shot at Wilson who has absolutely zero bearing on Graham's ability to block?

TLDR... Blogger...not a reporter...not a Journalist. Go into it understanding that and it will irritate you less.

Rodney Harrison got him his first gig in the "real" media and he's been partial to the guy ever since. PFT is full of stuff from Harrison. Likewise, he generally spins things pretty positively for the pats.

 

[jammerhawk]

To be fair, they dumped Jimmy because of their screwed up cap situation. They couldnt afford to pay a TE the money they were.

Totally agree, and NO misses having him on their roster.