Foghawk
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Yeah man, I'm just going to enjoy the ride next season as always. :irishdrinkers:
Sgt. Largent":3bzoq17l said:StoneCold":3bzoq17l said:Sgt. Largent":3bzoq17l said:Uncle Si":3bzoq17l said:Who is "we?"
Do posts like that make people feel better about themselves? You want to dial back expectations then feel free. Seems condescending to assume "we" all should though...
My expectations haven't changed for this team since 2004. Win the Division, make the playoffs, see what happens. Anyone expecting Super Bowls need not look any further than this years Panthers and Broncos or last year's Patriots and Seahawks.
Sensible approach, but I think most people here, myself included saw our roster healthy and loaded in the spring and during training camp and had higher expectations and aspirations than just making the playoffs again.
So I agree with the OP, I won't have those same expectations next year. Too many holes and internal issues going on right now to expect anything more than competing for an NFC west title, but that's as far as I'll go.
Wouldn't it make sense to wait until next August to see what the draft brings, what signing they make of undrafted and free agents before we set our expectations? Expectation that really have little affect on the world in general. I'm jst trying to keep it all in perspective.
Of course, but this thread wasn't created next August, it was created yesterday.
I don't have a crystal ball of what my expectations will be at some future time taking into account team transactions that may or may not happen. Right now, this is my expectation. If we have an amazing draft and FA class, then I shall amend said expectations accordingly.
The_Z_Man":a8xwszb5 said:Seahawkfan80":a8xwszb5 said:The_Z_Man":a8xwszb5 said:Go to the Packers forums during week 8/9 of this NFL season and read the Packers fans comments on their board, and then go see them today. If you ever want a visual of schizophrenia, there it is.
Yup....I like their chatbox and get a feel of what they believe there a lot.
Also I do chat here with our team and see pretty much the same thing. Just a different team and players and fans. LOL
Exactly, after that crushing loss to the Seahawks in the NFC Championship game, and then last year's playoff knockout, and then the debacle at the first half of this season, the narrative of Green Bay fans was "time to blow up the Packers and fire McCarthy. Their head coach was a joke, their defensive coordinator was a joke. A lot of fans were beating the drum to let him go mid season...
Fortunately, their GM doesn't listen to fans. Now they are back in the NFC Championship game on a blazing hot streak with a very good chance to win it all this year. Matter of fact, I am starting to think that Rodgers is going to claim his second ring. It almost seems like destiny that the Packers get their 5th 50 years after getting their 1st.
As long as we still have Pete Carroll as Head Coach, I'll be gathering up and hanging onto all of your discarded positivity's :smilingalien:TwistedHusky":34j9yzvu said:That SB loss, was probably as good as we will be for a while.
Given what this team is doing and how the coaching staff is producing - it just does not make sense to count this team as a contender.
Admittedly, I didn't see them making the playoffs - mainly because the lack of pass rush (which ended up hurting us all year anyway) and the lack of OL.
At some point, you don't have the horses.
A lot of teams want to go to the SB, but it is ridiculous to think every team has a shot at it. And given what we know about the team, the holes, the weaknesses and proclivities of some members of the coaching staff - it probably was not reasonable to expect it either.
I think a lot of us bought into the "Wilson Magic" but some of that was created by defenses keying in on a once in a decade runningback, that allowed our QB a lot less people focusing on him. Wilson is still spectacular, but without the other threats and without an OL (or a coach that adjusts the playcalling to account for the weaknesses of the opposing defense)...asking Wilson to heroball us to the SB is kind of ridiculous.
Think back to the Packers teams where Rodgers kept them a threat but watching them you knew they really were not a serious threat to make the SB. Having a great QB is really important but it isn't enough, and to be fair - Wilson was pretty injured this year which might account for his below par performance even when supposedly healthy.
This is a team that needs to fill a lot of holes. And there are teams all over the NFL that have to fill holes. The idea we can just easily fill the gaps, as other teams don't is probably unreasonable.
We looked like a wildcard team all year and ended up looking like one in the playoffs. Because we are one.
Siouxhawk":2g6l1u1o said:Expectations for fans should be the same as what Pete envisions for a franchise to be considered a success-- A highly efficient team that's in the mix every year with the chance to get hot and push deep in the playoffs.
That's who we are.
Fans should be especially encouraged with how far we progressed this year with our bevy of injuries and inexperience on the offensive line. In fact, our coaching staff should be applauded for getting the team as far as they did. Great things await for this team.
Nope, :177692: Feel free to ratchet back...I still believe, I MYSELF, HAVE NO QUIT IN my heart for the Seahawks.TwistedHusky":14ic7sro said:That SB loss, was probably as good as we will be for a while.
Given what this team is doing and how the coaching staff is producing - it just does not make sense to count this team as a contender.
Admittedly, I didn't see them making the playoffs - mainly because the lack of pass rush (which ended up hurting us all year anyway) and the lack of OL.
At some point, you don't have the horses.
A lot of teams want to go to the SB, but it is ridiculous to think every team has a shot at it. And given what we know about the team, the holes, the weaknesses and proclivities of some members of the coaching staff - it probably was not reasonable to expect it either.
I think a lot of us bought into the "Wilson Magic" but some of that was created by defenses keying in on a once in a decade runningback, that allowed our QB a lot less people focusing on him. Wilson is still spectacular, but without the other threats and without an OL (or a coach that adjusts the playcalling to account for the weaknesses of the opposing defense)...asking Wilson to heroball us to the SB is kind of ridiculous.
Think back to the Packers teams where Rodgers kept them a threat but watching them you knew they really were not a serious threat to make the SB. Having a great QB is really important but it isn't enough, and to be fair - Wilson was pretty injured this year which might account for his below par performance even when supposedly healthy.
This is a team that needs to fill a lot of holes. And there are teams all over the NFL that have to fill holes. The idea we can just easily fill the gaps, as other teams don't is probably unreasonable.
We looked like a wildcard team all year and ended up looking like one in the playoffs. Because we are one.
scutterhawk":2iw66fcl said:Nope, :177692: Feel free to ratchet back...I still believe, I MYSELF, HAVE NO QUIT IN my heart for the Seahawks.TwistedHusky":2iw66fcl said:That SB loss, was probably as good as we will be for a while.
Given what this team is doing and how the coaching staff is producing - it just does not make sense to count this team as a contender.
Admittedly, I didn't see them making the playoffs - mainly because the lack of pass rush (which ended up hurting us all year anyway) and the lack of OL.
At some point, you don't have the horses.
A lot of teams want to go to the SB, but it is ridiculous to think every team has a shot at it. And given what we know about the team, the holes, the weaknesses and proclivities of some members of the coaching staff - it probably was not reasonable to expect it either.
I think a lot of us bought into the "Wilson Magic" but some of that was created by defenses keying in on a once in a decade runningback, that allowed our QB a lot less people focusing on him. Wilson is still spectacular, but without the other threats and without an OL (or a coach that adjusts the playcalling to account for the weaknesses of the opposing defense)...asking Wilson to heroball us to the SB is kind of ridiculous.
Think back to the Packers teams where Rodgers kept them a threat but watching them you knew they really were not a serious threat to make the SB. Having a great QB is really important but it isn't enough, and to be fair - Wilson was pretty injured this year which might account for his below par performance even when supposedly healthy.
This is a team that needs to fill a lot of holes. And there are teams all over the NFL that have to fill holes. The idea we can just easily fill the gaps, as other teams don't is probably unreasonable.
We looked like a wildcard team all year and ended up looking like one in the playoffs. Because we are one.
Too damned many quitter fans :141847_bnono:
Overseasfan":3rspu2f1 said:If your expectations are SB or bust then you're setting yourself up for disappointment, even Patriots fans would have a hard time with expectations as high as that.
Look at the PCJS era:
70-41-1 regular season record in 7 years (average of 10 wins a year)
Made the play-offs 6 out of 7 times
9-5 play-off record (never one and done)
4 division titles
2 NFCCG wins
1 Superbowl
How in the world does this sound disappointing to anyone? If the next 7 years produced similar numbers I'd be incredibly happy and grateful.
I agree that the goal is always to improve, but any team that makes the playoffs is in the hunt. The line between playoff contender and playoff pretender is strictly imaginary deterministic nonsense. Of all the possibilities we merely see a single outcome, and our outcome could be better or worse in the future without changing a single thing simply due to unpredictability. Our single biggest improvement would be to secure the first round bye as that eliminates an entire round of results affected by randomness.chris98251":33jbq90r said:Not quitters, many are fans that are not in denial that we need to improve aspects if we want to stay in the hunt going forward...
I'm sure you remember the improbable but great comeback OT wins against the Bucs and Texans in 2013. Without those we don't have the first round bye, and it's entirely possible that we could have lost in the wildcard to the Packers, or in a road divisional @CAR or @SF. It's not like our home divisional game against the Saints was a sure thing even with them, let alone the NFCCG. Losing any of those wouldn't have changed our potential upside and losing divisional playoff games now doesn't mean we aren't contenders. The NFL is exciting because the single game playoff leads to upsets and uncertainty.TwistedHusky":33jbq90r said:Last year this was a wild card team, not a contender. This year, this was a wild card team, not a contender.