i basically said the same exact thing on the previous page but with even more anger. But yeah, romar has gotta go. He doesn't care about defense at all. The only thing floating around in his head is SCORE SCORE SCORE FAST.
TwistedHusky":kveidxwj said:At first, I was confused by the fact that there was no thread really on the game.
Given, Seahawk board but still NW sports fans. I see Husky threads in the reg season and I see coverage of Duck and other games. Then I realized, it isn't that people don't care. They just don't expect anything. So why bother?
This is why the handwringing over whether Cris stays or Dejounte stays is funny. Because it doesn't matter. If they stay, we get a few more exciting games - but we have seen over time that teams with 3-4 NBA players on them (which is rare even in good college programs) likely won't even make the tournament. If they do, the best of his best teams - teams where at least 2 guys have made NBA All star teams, don't get out of the Sweet 16.
So if everyone stays why would anyone expect anything to be different?
If the best players stay, we will just be a more dangerous team in the NIT that ultimately still won't even win THAT. Because Romar doesn't win, he just creates flashy teams that look like they will win more in the future. But they never do because they are fundamentally flawed, their coach doesn't prepare them correctly.
So, while I feel bad for the kid that is coming here as a 5 star recruit - and I know I will enjoy watching him play, it won't matter. Even adding him to the pot with the other very talented players if they all stay is not going to change the reality that you cannot expect Romar teams to win anything substantial. His teams are for entertainment, not accomplishment.
The question will be, is it better to get better quality athletes and do little with them? Or get a coach that gets far less quality players (since Romar clearly excels at getting guys that most coaches cannot) that accomplishes more with them and the team?
For now, it is clear the program does not mind losing if there is some cool dunking in the games. I don't see that changing in the future anyway.
JSeahawks":3uq12hnf said:Husky ladies (4 pac12 teams total) in the sweet 16.
Tical21":1xk9gatu said:FWIW, now that they have advanced, the vaunted Gonzaga Bulldogs have now been to one more Sweet 16 during the Romar era than the Huskies have. Want to talk overrated?
If those two players come back, there is zero chance we aren't in the top-25 throughout the season.
Besides the switching, which is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in basketball at any level, and very could well be a move that gets a college coach fired, he also didn't have any players this year, not one, that came in with a high defensive IQ. Even Dime is a trainwreck with this defensive fundamentals. The popular consensus with the guys that knew these kids was that they were going to be high flying and score a bunch of points, but they were going to mightily struggle defensively. Thybulle is the only one I think that has any kind of defensive mentality, and he's still just a freshman that hasn't gotten completely over the "timid freshman" mentality. He's going to be that Bobby Jones, Justin Holiday type. Probably not to that same level, as they were two of the better defenders I have ever seen on a college team, but you'll be able to put him on a good player and he'll compete. He's the only one I see though. The big New Zealand kid might help a lot too.
Romar is here for another year, unless the two players leave and Fultz decommits. Regardless, next year he needs to make the tournament or he's gone. Scary though. It isn't like we're going to get a big name coach to come here. Getting rid of Romar will be an absolute disaster if we don't identify the right guy. At least we're mediocre and have a shot to make the tournament most years. That is far better than it has been here in a long, long time.
Hawk-Lock":n1u1nzr0 said:Tical21":n1u1nzr0 said:FWIW, now that they have advanced, the vaunted Gonzaga Bulldogs have now been to one more Sweet 16 during the Romar era than the Huskies have. Want to talk overrated?
If those two players come back, there is zero chance we aren't in the top-25 throughout the season.
Besides the switching, which is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in basketball at any level, and very could well be a move that gets a college coach fired, he also didn't have any players this year, not one, that came in with a high defensive IQ. Even Dime is a trainwreck with this defensive fundamentals. The popular consensus with the guys that knew these kids was that they were going to be high flying and score a bunch of points, but they were going to mightily struggle defensively. Thybulle is the only one I think that has any kind of defensive mentality, and he's still just a freshman that hasn't gotten completely over the "timid freshman" mentality. He's going to be that Bobby Jones, Justin Holiday type. Probably not to that same level, as they were two of the better defenders I have ever seen on a college team, but you'll be able to put him on a good player and he'll compete. He's the only one I see though. The big New Zealand kid might help a lot too.
Romar is here for another year, unless the two players leave and Fultz decommits. Regardless, next year he needs to make the tournament or he's gone. Scary though. It isn't like we're going to get a big name coach to come here. Getting rid of Romar will be an absolute disaster if we don't identify the right guy. At least we're mediocre and have a shot to make the tournament most years. That is far better than it has been here in a long, long time.
This guy gets it. You can't fire your coach after he lands the highest rated recruit in his tenure. Not to mention we just landed the best recruiting class we've pretty much ever had. Fire Romar tomorrow and a ton of kids transfer away, Fultz decommits and our program falls on its face. Next year will be big for Romar. If he doesn't produce then he is likely gone.
I understand the Romar haters. The problem is, the time to fire him was probably 2-3 years ago. He has gotten the program back on track IMO. Michael Porter who is considered a top 3 player in two years has a really close relationship with Romar, Romar is doing all he can to bring him in. If he gets Porter to sign, then he may save himself another year even if we flop next year. Bringing in Porter would basically be like bringing in Ben Simmons (even though Simmons somewhat flopped this year).
TwistedHusky":2cci2x1f said:PS Does it even matter if Chriss and Dejounte declared?
My understanding is that the entire Kentucky team declared. As long as they don't get an agent and the NBA does not give them a high grade - they likely are back.
Declaring does not mean they are gone, correct?
Washington freshmen Marquese Chriss and Dejounte Murray both declared for the NBA draft Wednesday and will hire agents, ending their college careers after one season and issuing a blow to the Huskies hopes of getting back to the NCAA Tournament next year.
JSeahawks":2fmr8th7 said:Hawk-Lock":2fmr8th7 said:Tical21":2fmr8th7 said:FWIW, now that they have advanced, the vaunted Gonzaga Bulldogs have now been to one more Sweet 16 during the Romar era than the Huskies have. Want to talk overrated?
If those two players come back, there is zero chance we aren't in the top-25 throughout the season.
Besides the switching, which is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in basketball at any level, and very could well be a move that gets a college coach fired, he also didn't have any players this year, not one, that came in with a high defensive IQ. Even Dime is a trainwreck with this defensive fundamentals. The popular consensus with the guys that knew these kids was that they were going to be high flying and score a bunch of points, but they were going to mightily struggle defensively. Thybulle is the only one I think that has any kind of defensive mentality, and he's still just a freshman that hasn't gotten completely over the "timid freshman" mentality. He's going to be that Bobby Jones, Justin Holiday type. Probably not to that same level, as they were two of the better defenders I have ever seen on a college team, but you'll be able to put him on a good player and he'll compete. He's the only one I see though. The big New Zealand kid might help a lot too.
Romar is here for another year, unless the two players leave and Fultz decommits. Regardless, next year he needs to make the tournament or he's gone. Scary though. It isn't like we're going to get a big name coach to come here. Getting rid of Romar will be an absolute disaster if we don't identify the right guy. At least we're mediocre and have a shot to make the tournament most years. That is far better than it has been here in a long, long time.
This guy gets it. You can't fire your coach after he lands the highest rated recruit in his tenure. Not to mention we just landed the best recruiting class we've pretty much ever had. Fire Romar tomorrow and a ton of kids transfer away, Fultz decommits and our program falls on its face. Next year will be big for Romar. If he doesn't produce then he is likely gone.
I understand the Romar haters. The problem is, the time to fire him was probably 2-3 years ago. He has gotten the program back on track IMO. Michael Porter who is considered a top 3 player in two years has a really close relationship with Romar, Romar is doing all he can to bring him in. If he gets Porter to sign, then he may save himself another year even if we flop next year. Bringing in Porter would basically be like bringing in Ben Simmons (even though Simmons somewhat flopped this year).
See, I actually think this is the wrong approach to basketball recruiting unless you're a Kentucky, Duke or North Carolina who can just reload with 3 or 4 five stars every single year. In my opinion, if youre a program like Washington or Oregon or Gonzaga those one and done players are program killers, not program builders. I think UW should be looking for Andrew Andrews type players, not Ben Simmons type players. Find those 4 star kids that are good enough players to contribute big time in college and stick around for a few years, not those kids who are going to be here for a year and be gone before you even got to know them.
CPHawk":1y5l5u9h said:JSeahawks":1y5l5u9h said:Hawk-Lock":1y5l5u9h said:See, I actually think this is the wrong approach to basketball recruiting unless you're a Kentucky, Duke or North Carolina who can just reload with 3 or 4 five stars every single year. In my opinion, if youre a program like Washington or Oregon or Gonzaga those one and done players are program killers, not program builders. I think UW should be looking for Andrew Andrews type players, not Ben Simmons type players. Find those 4 star kids that are good enough players to contribute big time in college and stick around for a few years, not those kids who are going to be here for a year and be gone before you even got to know them.
Program killer? If UO had held onto Jamal Murray, this is a final 4 team for sure, and likely 33-3 right now. The key for a school like UO, is the have a good mix of both.