Sgt. Largent":1fn3r8li said:
What was the difference in the McDowell pick and the Clark or Irvin picks?
All had question marks. That's where the value Pete and John covet comes from, off the charts physical traits, but questionable emotional or immaturity issues to make top 15 prospects fall to the bottom of the first round, or early 2nd.
Some of you guys are amazing hindsight GM's. "We only want the draft picks with questionable pasts or work ethic IF they work out OK!..........no more of the ones that don't work out."
Key difference:
* There were NEVER *any* question marks about Clark or Irvin's work ethic or motor or desire, either in practice or game day.
* There were not questions about Clark or Irvin's teammate characteristics, and commitment to the team
* There were not questions about Clark's "leadership qualities", only about his judgment in girlfriends.
McDowell... takes plays off, questionable leadership qualities, questionable smarts = high risk, lower ceiling
As annoying and opinionated as Seymour can be at times (can't we all), he is SO RIGHT ON with all his comments on McDouche, er McDowell in this thread.
Seymour":1fn3r8li said:
chris98251":1fn3r8li said:
Care to explain how a bad interview correlates to an ATV accident?
Sure!!
I'll keep it simple.
Stupid people do stupid shit!!
The End.
Chapow":1fn3r8li said:
And this was supposed to be your damning evidence[/color] that Pete and John obviously should have known better than to use a second round pick on a guy with high first round talent that had some (correctable) issues?
Seymour":1fn3r8li said:
Nope. Just one of many reports that agreed. Combine that with his off the wall Lady cop slamming cussing video, the bar arguement he was thrown out of...and ya it gets more obvious.
Not pulling up all those links, look them up if you want.
I question it was a mistake and the "nothing we can do" BS.
If true, why did Schnieder say they have since changed their minimum draft requirements for future picks?
Obviously that is admission of error.
The evidence also shows Pete and John also changed the screening for mental health issues and personality disorders after the Percy Harvin experience. I've said numerous times that Percy Harvin checked a lot of boxes for Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), in particular the sociopathic flavor of that disorder, an especially toxic brew. I also believe the Seahawks added a screening for BPD and the similar condition of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) to their player evaluation process. I was happy to see they brought in WR Brandon Marshall, the only "out" BPD star athlete I know of; Marshall has dealt with his BPD issues, but unfortunately his football tank was on E when he got here.
Some NFL poster children checking many boxes for NPD would be Vince Young and Terrell Owens.
Anyway, McDowell wasn't just mental-health-questionable, he had rocks for brains, just not very bright overall, and poor emotional control.
Take a not-so-bright guy with questionable effort level like McDowell up against football-smart guys like Cliff Avril, Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright, ET, Sherman, Frank Clark, even Brandon Browner*, and the requirement of a Pete Carroll defense to have football-smart guys who do their job, EVERY PLAY, and does anyone else besides me see a problem here?
I think John Schneider mentioning that the Hawks have changed their minimum requirements for future draft picks speaks volumes. Like with the Harvin fiasco, Pete and John have acknowledged their preventable (in hindsight) mistake on McDowell and won't get fooled again by a super athlete with super-low-intelligence and poor emotional control, and I suspect, detectable-in-hindsight mental health issues that were apparent in McDowell once they stopped salivating over his athletic potential.
Of course, they'll make other mistakes instead. I just hope they don't go too far towards the Holmgren-Ruskell side of the scale by bringing in all a lot of high-character guys with no athletic talent.
* Mr. B. Browner and his football smarts cost the Seahawks their second Lombardi trophy; without Browner, there is no pick by Butler to deny the 'Hawks. Say what you want about Browner in his life outside of football, but in that moment, his football smarts and situational awareness shut down Wilson and the Seahawks.