You know, an all great defense but a average to below average QB like Trent Dilfer. That 2000 Ravens SB team was 5th in rushing offense. Perhaps, thats the philosophy that Pete wants to instill in the team? But Wilson disagrees with it.
Mizak":3a2jsq7a said:You know, an all great defense but a average to below average QB like Trent Dilfer. That 2000 Ravens SB team was 5th in rushing offense. Perhaps, thats the philosophy that Pete wants to instill in the team? But Wilson disagrees with it.
Mizak":3p9rik51 said:You know, an all great defense but a average to below average QB like Trent Dilfer. That 2000 Ravens SB team was 5th in rushing offense. Perhaps, thats the philosophy that Pete wants to instill in the team? But Wilson disagrees with it.
Green Bay, TB, and KC all passed more often than they ran. They could hit you with the running game, but they could also air it out. They were all top passing offenses in the NFL. All of these offenses looked fundamentally different than what the Seahawks have tried to run in the last 10 years under Pete.hinton":3cablvv8 said:Mizak":3cablvv8 said:You know, an all great defense but a average to below average QB like Trent Dilfer. That 2000 Ravens SB team was 5th in rushing offense. Perhaps, thats the philosophy that Pete wants to instill in the team? But Wilson disagrees with it.
No.
Green Bay vs Rams in the divisional round and TB vs KC in the Super Bowl are the two best recent examples of what Carroll wants.
- Punishing running game that keeps the opponents D from flying to the QB
- Efficient and clinical QB play that can put the dagger in when the opportunity comes
- A Seahawks D that can get to the QB and takes the ball away
- Win the turnover battle.
- Win the TOP
There has to be some flexibility with the scheme on O. On one hand we can't have the last 8 games with no short/intermediate passing game. But we also can't have Russ going all Jay Cutler and throwing 3+ picks a game either.
Not sure why all the hate for Carroll.
- Last year Russ wanted 'superstars' and PC/JS went out and got Olsen, Adams, and Dunlap
- Last year he let Russ cook until Russ burned the ingredients
- It sounds like Shane Waldren was hired mostly because Russ wanted him
- Last year on paper our playmakers on O were stacked. Metcalf, Tyler, Olsen, Carson, and Gordon.
We need to improve our O-line in a big way, that has been the glaring failure of the PC/JS era. Russ has had everything else handed to him, and both Russ and the team have done well out of it.
Spin Doctor":3u74wjhr said:Green Bay, TB, and KC all passed more often than they ran. They could hit you with the running game, but they could also air it out. They were all top passing offenses in the NFL. All of these offenses looked fundamentally different than what the Seahawks have tried to run in the last 10 years under Pete.hinton":3u74wjhr said:Mizak":3u74wjhr said:You know, an all great defense but a average to below average QB like Trent Dilfer. That 2000 Ravens SB team was 5th in rushing offense. Perhaps, thats the philosophy that Pete wants to instill in the team? But Wilson disagrees with it.
No.
Green Bay vs Rams in the divisional round and TB vs KC in the Super Bowl are the two best recent examples of what Carroll wants.
- Punishing running game that keeps the opponents D from flying to the QB
- Efficient and clinical QB play that can put the dagger in when the opportunity comes
- A Seahawks D that can get to the QB and takes the ball away
- Win the turnover battle.
- Win the TOP
There has to be some flexibility with the scheme on O. On one hand we can't have the last 8 games with no short/intermediate passing game. But we also can't have Russ going all Jay Cutler and throwing 3+ picks a game either.
Not sure why all the hate for Carroll.
- Last year Russ wanted 'superstars' and PC/JS went out and got Olsen, Adams, and Dunlap
- Last year he let Russ cook until Russ burned the ingredients
- It sounds like Shane Waldren was hired mostly because Russ wanted him
- Last year on paper our playmakers on O were stacked. Metcalf, Tyler, Olsen, Carson, and Gordon.
We need to improve our O-line in a big way, that has been the glaring failure of the PC/JS era. Russ has had everything else handed to him, and both Russ and the team have done well out of it.
First off, KC, Green Bay, and TB make liberal usage of short passes, and YAC routes. How many times did we see Brady just complete a slant pass over the middle? Quite a few, we avoid that part of the field entirely. Whenever we've done that, Carroll pulled the plug, and coincidentally those were also when the offense was most successful. Think 2015 and the beginning of this season. They also don't line up and broadcast what they're doing. Many times they'll run out of spread formations. Seattle on the other hand the had the philosophy that we line up, and if we're better we'll beat them.
We also need to talk about tempo and agency. Carroll's teams snap the ball later than just about every team in the NFL. Wilson doesn't have time to change plays or adjust things at the LOS. He also has eluded to the fact that he doesn't have much ability to change plays. He's treated like a rookie QB when he is a veteran in the NFL with an impressive track record. TB constantly changed the tempo, and looks at the LOS based on what KC was showing TB.
Those teams do things fundamentally different than Seattle. Our offense has been and is broken. Also, Carroll did not get Jamal Adams and Dunlap because Wilson wanted "superstars". He got those two players because our defense has been utter garbage since 2017 and the last half of 2016. Every year our defense has been declining since 2015. We had one of the worst pass rushes in the NFL before Dunlap and Carroll puts a big emphasis on safety play in his defensive schemes. Those weren't pushes from Russell guaranteed. As for Olsen, he was a washed up player by the time he came here. Our only two real playmakers were Lockett, and DK Metcalf, we had no underneath threat. Our WR #3 was weak and TE play lackluster across the board. Lockett also has a tendency to get banged up and be irrelevant for stretches. We have a good core to work with, but we're hardly "stacked". Depth and utility players are severely lacking.
Carroll is a huge issue with our offense. I don't even care if he wanted to structure the offense like Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl. Just stop trying to run these long developing routes towards the sidelines. It's easy to stop, and it is foolish. Stop broadcasting what you're going to do, and where you're going to run. Allow the QB to change plays, and operate at the LOS, vary the tempo. These are all basic things that Carroll's offenses fail to do time and time again.