SoulfishHawk
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Makes me think of the 2 pt conversion in the crap show that was the Redskins game. Dude picked it off and almost ran it all the way back. Russ had to help make the tackle, way on the other end of the field.
Sgt. Largent":1185cu5c said:As any soul crushing SB defeat would to any fan base.
mikeak":1khasbd7 said:Sgt. Largent":1khasbd7 said:Popeyejones":1khasbd7 said:If that play broke the Seahawks team a little bit, do you think it also broke the Seahawks fanbase a little bit?
Broke us? No, but as you see here, definitely fractured and put a big dent in the confidence we had in our team and coaches to keep the SB train rolling.
As any soul crushing SB defeat would to any fan base.
Agree - it didn’t break us from loyalty to the team. It certainly made us a lot more critical of decisions that were being made / not made
I have some problems with this line of thinking:Seymour":23ahrsc9 said:Nothing new here, just different player speaking out. Same thing Bennett and Sherman have been saying. Pete lost the team. We can no longer deny this, and IMO Pete knows this and that is why Earl is / was being shopped. I heard part of the interview on 950 yesterday (was actually the NFL network interview), so no blaming Field Gulls on speculation here.
On Wednesday, Avril reaffirmed what some other former Seahawks players have already said: that the second Super Bowl loss — rather than bring the team together because of how close they came to repeating as champions — started to tear the team apart. In talking to Dave Dameshak, Avril said players questioned Carroll’s belief in his own philosophy when the team chose to pass on the goal line against the New England Patriots rather than run:
The relevant piece of what Avril said, first noting that he thinks the Seahawks would have won a third Super Bowl in the following two seasons if they had beaten the Pats: “I do think that the team would have bought in more to what Coach Carroll was saying instead of going the opposite way of — this is what we thought the foundation of the team was and that’s not what happened in that particular play. So I think guys started questioning him a little more — rather than following his lead if we had won the Super Bowl.”
“A lot of guys got turned off by the message.”
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/5/2...tioned-pete-carroll-following-super-bowl-play
Popeyejones":28kl969y said:Sgt. Largent":28kl969y said:As any soul crushing SB defeat would to any fan base.
Yeah, I was thinking about it and I think the 9ers SB loss to the Ravens DEFINITELY broke the team, and probably the fanbase a little bit too.
I'm NOT ARGUING about which is worse, but for people who don't remember:
The Hawks were down by 4 on 2nd down at the 1 yard line with 26 seconds left.
The 9ers were down by 5 on 1st down at the 5 yard line with 2:00 left.
All in all they're both pretty crushing ways to lose.
Seymour":2094fv8c said:HawkGA":2094fv8c said:Firing Bevell would have fixed everything. Even if Pete didn't think it would be fair, something needed to be done. He couldn't rah-rah is way out of it and he should have known that.
Disagree. That leaves Cable and our continued pathetic oline play, outdated scheme, and drafting and FA signings.
HawkGA":yu5hu8qe said:Seymour":yu5hu8qe said:HawkGA":yu5hu8qe said:Firing Bevell would have fixed everything. Even if Pete didn't think it would be fair, something needed to be done. He couldn't rah-rah is way out of it and he should have known that.
Disagree. That leaves Cable and our continued pathetic oline play, outdated scheme, and drafting and FA signings.
Given how the subsequent years went, that is probably true. But ultimately Pete needed to show there would be responsibility for what happened. I don't really buy the "identity" argument so much as I think it was an issue of accountability.
Sgt. Largent":3aed4ahj said:I can tell you this, if we didn't win the SB the year before and the Patriot's loss happened?............you'd have fans jumping off buildings.
Before SB 48, we would have believed anyone that told us we were a cursed franchise that was never going to win a SB in any of our lifetimes.
Don't get me wrong, the Patriot's loss still hurts. But only in the context of it could have led to a very rare football dynasty, which would have been amazing. But we got ours, and if SB 48 never happened? It might have spelled the end for many of us.
SpokaneHawks":1x7mxm4q said:He is right. All that tells me though, is the players that no longer believed or were no longer "buying in" should have been gone a long time ago!
mikeak":o2m20h6w said:How good would this team have been 2 years ago if they were a cohesive group?.........
Jville":1okdn4k6 said:There are always going to be good sports and poor sports in every crowd. Some are good sports in both victory and defeat. Others are poor sports in both victory and defeat. Two player opposites that come to mind are Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman. Their contrasting histories clearly identify a polar opposite in their sense of sportsmanship.
Fans are another crowd where we witness the same division between good sportsmanship and poor sports. Personally, I have no empathy for poor sports regardless of how long they suffer. Poor sports suffer by their own free will.
mikeak":16nikl7z said:SoulfishHawk":16nikl7z said:What about the D giving up a 10 point 4th quarter lead? That had nothing to do with it? :lol:
I am SO TIRED of this narrative
Seahawks offense LAST FOUR POSSESSIONS in the Super Bowl
Number of plays
4, 3, 3, 7
Time:
2.2, 2.07, 1.03 and 1.42
Result
Punt, Punt, Punt, Interception
The ONLY thing the offense accomplished on those four drives was putting a depleted defense back on the field time after time. The offense and specifically Bevell and PC gave the game away
Steve2222":21sxzaei said:Glad to see the Seahawks get rid of all the mental midgets who couldn’t let 49 go. Embarrassing that those players couldn’t get over that loss.
Yep, they were injured, and Brady took advantage of that...Things got away from them, so that ONE play MASKS their mistakes leading up to it, their perception?...That play took them off the hook.SoulfishHawk":2pdqrfk4 said:What about the D giving up a 10 point 4th quarter lead? That had nothing to do with it? :lol: