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Josh Gordon? No way. There's enough buried talent at the WR position. Once Rice is released next year, Chop Chop/Williams can step up.
Largent80":2m76eqbh said:I am happy with our team the way it is.
themunn":2luge1f5 said:And yet we traded our first round pick for a WR when we had Tate, Rice and Baldwin and spent our second on a running back when we have Lynch and Turbin.
2 of our starting O-Linemen were picked up midseason off waivers, another was an undrafted free agent.
Gordon had more yards last season than any Seattle WR has had in the last 4 years - as a rookie playing for the Browns.
DavidSeven":2k62mgda said:themunn":2k62mgda said:And yet we traded our first round pick for a WR when we had Tate, Rice and Baldwin and spent our second on a running back when we have Lynch and Turbin.
2 of our starting O-Linemen were picked up midseason off waivers, another was an undrafted free agent.
Gordon had more yards last season than any Seattle WR has had in the last 4 years - as a rookie playing for the Browns.
Again, he got twice as many targets as Rice and barely surpassed him in overall yards. Gordon's catch rate according to Football Outsiders last year was 53%. Rice's was 62%; Tate was at 69%. We traded a #1 for Harvin because he's a dynamic and unique player in this league. He has value as a receiver, runner and returner. I think Gordon is a good player, but he's not a unique one.
2012 FO Adjusted WR rankings: Rice #14, Tate #19, Gordon #51.
DavidSeven":2acrjxvk said:Keep in mind if you trade for Gordon now, you're not just losing a draft pick. You're losing a roster spot, too. Thus, I think you're really giving up a 2nd rounder and Stephen Williams for Gordon since there's no way Seattle carries 7 WRs.
Coug_Hawk08":2kr8emzp said:DavidSeven":2kr8emzp said:Keep in mind if you trade for Gordon now, you're not just losing a draft pick. You're losing a roster spot, too. Thus, I think you're really giving up a 2nd rounder and Stephen Williams for Gordon since there's no way Seattle carries 7 WRs.
We have an open spot now, and kearse has an ankle injury. Also, lbh, Stephen Williams is not a big deal.
There is no way Gordon is worth a second round pick.
DavidSeven":1w3uy115 said:Coug_Hawk08":1w3uy115 said:DavidSeven":1w3uy115 said:Keep in mind if you trade for Gordon now, you're not just losing a draft pick. You're losing a roster spot, too. Thus, I think you're really giving up a 2nd rounder and Stephen Williams for Gordon since there's no way Seattle carries 7 WRs.
We have an open spot now, and kearse has an ankle injury. Also, lbh, Stephen Williams is not a big deal.
There is no way Gordon is worth a second round pick.
That open spot is going to be filled by Bruce Irvin next week and Kearse isn't going on IR. Not saying Williams is a world-beater, but if the Niners claimed him off waivers, he'd immediately be their second best receiver at minimum.
I think Cleveland will want at least a second for Gordon. He's a second year player who was taken in the second round and outperformed his draft position. Character is the only thing that might devalue him a bit.
DavidSeven":3vvt6mnt said:Keep in mind if you trade for Gordon now, you're not just losing a draft pick. You're losing a roster spot, too. Thus, I think you're really giving up a 2nd rounder and Stephen Williams for Gordon since there's no way Seattle carries 7 WRs.
Coug_Hawk08":2zs0nl4u said:Why are we always worried about niners picking up our scraps? Our 5th guy is their first or second best option? Good. Wouldn't worry me in the slightest, he is not very good receiver.
Their GM would do very well to get a second. You are downplaying the fact that he has one strike left and he is out for an entire season. In addition, they are trying to dump him, pretty rare you get face value back for vet players. They got way below on the Richardson trade.
DavidSeven":392v8oww said:Coug_Hawk08":392v8oww said:Why are we always worried about niners picking up our scraps? Our 5th guy is their first or second best option? Good. Wouldn't worry me in the slightest, he is not very good receiver.
Their GM would do very well to get a second. You are downplaying the fact that he has one strike left and he is out for an entire season. In addition, they are trying to dump him, pretty rare you get face value back for vet players. They got way below on the Richardson trade.
I don't care who the Niners pick up. It's merely a demonstration that just because he's #5 or #6 on our depth chart, doesn't mean he's a worthless player. I think he's an NFL caliber WR, but you're free to disagree.
What do you base your idea that he's not a good WR on? He's been targeted twice this season. Drew a PI on one play and arguably dropped a 40-50 yard bomb that was difficult to catch on the other. He lit it up in the preseason (which I know doesn't mean much but it's all we're going on now).
Cleveland used a 1st on Richardson and got a 1st in return. Yes, it's unlikely to be as high as a third overall pick, but Richardson has also underperformed his draft position. Not true of Gordon.