Brandon Marshall signing

[Sox-n-Hawks]

Regardless of whether or not you or I LIKE Marshall. He's going to draw attention from defenses. He may be on the downslide, but defenses will respect him. I really like the Schotty approach I'm starting to see with his personnel, BALANCE the offense to keep defenses honest. They won't be able to bet on a one sided approach or key in on RW, whichever RB wins the job, ADB, Ed Dickson or any other offensive weapon. For the price? My biggest concern is his behind the scenes impact.

As with any player on the tail end of their career. Is he going to be a positive impact on people or a cancer in the locker room?

 

[Grahamhawker]

One aspect not being discussed, is both Solari and Marshall came from NY and if there was any locker room issues I'd have to think they talked to Solari about it. Solari also may have been a key to bringing him back here. I'm not down on Marshall, I'm just going to post the facts I know and believe and try to help keep a reasonable perspective on what he may be able to do for us. :2thumbs:

Good point.

I often wondered the same thing regarding the Bevell/Harvin situation. Always surprised me there wasn't more discussion on insights DB could or should have had.

 

[Jac]

He might not make the team if the young receivers have great preseasons. Darboh & Moore in particular.

If he flops they won't bat an eye in cutting him. They will only be out $1M.

That is what makes it a good signing. Low risk with a chance he may have 1 more yr left in the tank to help in an area the team has a major need.

I think that's right. Schneider has definitely had a great offseason re-constituting this roster. Before free agency, Seattle had the fewest number of players signed in the league (something like 43-45 players), some of those signed players had career-threatening injuries, a limited amount of cap space, and massively gutted draft capital w/o an influx of compensatory picks. It's really been a nicely-focused off-season working through those limitations to flesh out this roster with some nice competition/depth options going into training camp.

 

[toffee]

He might not make the team if the young receivers have great preseasons. Darboh & Moore in particular.

If he flops they won't bat an eye in cutting him. They will only be out $1M.

That is what makes it a good signing. Low risk with a chance he may have 1 more yr left in the tank to help in an area the team has a major need.

I think that's right. Schneider has definitely had a great offseason re-constituting this roster. Before free agency, Seattle had the fewest number of players signed in the league (something like 43-45 players), some of those signed players had career-threatening injuries, a limited amount of cap space, and massively gutted draft capital w/o an influx of compensatory picks. It's really been a nicely-focused off-season working through those limitations to flesh out this roster with some nice competition/depth options going into training camp.

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[Seymour]

He was targeted 128 times, Edelman and Crabtree the only other two targeted more, Crabtree had 9 drops, Edelman 5, his targets were high and before injury he really was a guy that had the focus of the defense I am sure. Don't think it's a big alarm bell.

And his 46% catch rate compared to Baldwins 75% for 2016?? :roll:

LOL.

Only 66 passes thrown to Marshall in 2016 were labelled "catchable." Marshall caught 59 of those 66 catchable balls or 89%.

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Nope.....pick it up. Just makes my point even stronger. Most of those are red zone targets and he was 3 for 21 (the reason many here think he has a big impact) That means he obviously isn't getting open in the red zone and the ball is being thrown away towards him very often.

 

[Seymour]

More proof of diminished red zone skills....

https://247sports.com/nfl/seattle-s...able-to-fix-Seahawks-red-zone-issue-118109476

While the 6'5" wideout use to be a red zone specialist among his many abilities; those skills have been in steep decline lately and unfortunately, the sample size is such that there's not a ton of good information on what player he'll be going forward. For instance, he only appeared in five games last season before requiring ankle surgery. During that time, he had just two targets inside the opponent's 20-yard line and he caught both but scored on neither. They never targeted him once inside the opponent's 10. Another function he could serve is as a big target going deep for some easy big plays and he had no receptions over 20 yards in 2017.

But, of course, a five-game sample isn't much to consider. Unfortunately, it doesn't look much better the year prior with the New York Jets in 2016. Can see it in your eyes already. "Well, no one could succeed with the quarterbacks the Jets have been trotting out lately," you may be saying. Before we look at 2016, consider he did this in 2015 with the New York Jets. Marshall had 1,502 yards on 109 receptions with 14 touchdowns. He had 19 receptions over 20 yards and five receptions over 40 yards with a long of 69 yards (twice). His catch rate was 63 percent; so he had pretty reliable hands.

But 2016 Brandon Marshall couldn't be relied upon to consistently cure the needs the Seahawks have with the absence of Graham and Richardson. It's not that he can't provide any value but his inconsistency means you'll never be able to rely upon it. And, you can't run an offense while trying to guess when a ball may be caught.

 

[NINEster]

Marshall will be good for a few Wilson bail outs this season.

Incredible hands.

 

[kidhawk]

More proof of diminished red zone skills....

https://247sports.com/nfl/seattle-s...able-to-fix-Seahawks-red-zone-issue-118109476

While the 6'5" wideout use to be a red zone specialist among his many abilities; those skills have been in steep decline lately and unfortunately, the sample size is such that there's not a ton of good information on what player he'll be going forward. For instance, he only appeared in five games last season before requiring ankle surgery. During that time, he had just two targets inside the opponent's 20-yard line and he caught both but scored on neither. They never targeted him once inside the opponent's 10. Another function he could serve is as a big target going deep for some easy big plays and he had no receptions over 20 yards in 2017.

But, of course, a five-game sample isn't much to consider. Unfortunately, it doesn't look much better the year prior with the New York Jets in 2016. Can see it in your eyes already. "Well, no one could succeed with the quarterbacks the Jets have been trotting out lately," you may be saying. Before we look at 2016, consider he did this in 2015 with the New York Jets. Marshall had 1,502 yards on 109 receptions with 14 touchdowns. He had 19 receptions over 20 yards and five receptions over 40 yards with a long of 69 yards (twice). His catch rate was 63 percent; so he had pretty reliable hands.

But 2016 Brandon Marshall couldn't be relied upon to consistently cure the needs the Seahawks have with the absence of Graham and Richardson. It's not that he can't provide any value but his inconsistency means you'll never be able to rely upon it. And, you can't run an offense while trying to guess when a ball may be caught.

These are the reasons we were able to sign him to such a friendly deal. Yes there is a possibility his career may be (or should be) over, but the contract makes it easily worth the risk to see what he's got. If he comes in here and can perform, then we keep him around on a really cheap deal. If he fails from the start, then we walk away pretty much unscathed. It's a win/win deal.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Marshall will be good for a few Wilson bail outs this season.

Incredible hands.

Marshall's skill isn't in question, it's his health and attitude.............and IMO at this point in his career it's just his health.

Two major ankle/foot surgeries = might be tough to get back to full speed health and contribute. But if he can? Great signing, cause Marshall knows he has to perform if he wants to keep getting NFL paychecks.

 

[Seymour]

These are the reasons we were able to sign him to such a friendly deal. Yes there is a possibility his career may be (or should be) over, but the contract makes it easily worth the risk to see what he's got. If he comes in here and can perform, then we keep him around on a really cheap deal. If he fails from the start, then we walk away pretty much unscathed. It's a win/win deal.

There is a level headed reply. Pretty much what I've been saying. I'm only disputing mostly the "he is our red zone answer crowd" mostly with recent facts that some here dislike or blow off with their personal bias. Yes, I think he can contribute and was cheap for a reason, and YES I think we are better off in the long run if Darboh puts him on the bench.

 

[Seymour]

Marshall will be good for a few Wilson bail outs this season.

Incredible hands.

Marshall's skill isn't in question, it's his health and attitude.............and IMO at this point in his career it's just his health.

Two major ankle/foot surgeries = might be tough to get back to full speed health and contribute. But if he can? Great signing, cause Marshall knows he has to perform if he wants to keep getting NFL paychecks.

Exact opposite of what you just said is true IMO!! :roll:

He is finally healthy and there has been no real evidence of locker room cancer issues lately other than calling out Richardson for slacking which I'll guess is justified. I think that is one advantage to help young guys and be a leader here.

His skills have clearly shown a drop over the last 2 years and are in question at age 34.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Marshall will be good for a few Wilson bail outs this season.

Incredible hands.

Marshall's skill isn't in question, it's his health and attitude.............and IMO at this point in his career it's just his health.

Two major ankle/foot surgeries = might be tough to get back to full speed health and contribute. But if he can? Great signing, cause Marshall knows he has to perform if he wants to keep getting NFL paychecks.

Exact opposite of what you just said is true IMO!! :roll:

He is finally healthy and there has been no real evidence of locker room cancer issues lately other than calling out Richardson for slacking which I'll guess is justified. I think that is one advantage to help young guys and be a leader here.

His skills have clearly shown a drop over the last 2 years and are in question at age 34.

Maybe, he said the reason for the big dropoff between 2015 and 2016 was the nagging foot injury that slowed him down. Then he got hurt again last year.

So we'll see, 34 IMO isn't old for a WR of his skill set. He's not a speedster or a player that relied on his speed and quickness..........and no he's not finally healthy, he admitted as much yesterday.

He said it'll take him well into preseason to get back into game shape.

 

[onanygivensunday]

If he flops they won't bat an eye in cutting him. They will only be out $1M.

I didn't read or hear anything that he got a $1M signing bonus... did he?

If not, he can be cut during TC and not cost the team a dime against the cap.

EDIT: Marshall received a $90,000 signing bonus, as posted below... so not the $1M figured posted by Fade... so very little exposure to the team's cap if Marshall doesn't impress in TC and the preseason.

 

[Seymour]

Marshall will be good for a few Wilson bail outs this season.

Incredible hands.

Marshall's skill isn't in question, it's his health and attitude.............and IMO at this point in his career it's just his health.

Two major ankle/foot surgeries = might be tough to get back to full speed health and contribute. But if he can? Great signing, cause Marshall knows he has to perform if he wants to keep getting NFL paychecks.

Exact opposite of what you just said is true IMO!! :roll:

He is finally healthy and there has been no real evidence of locker room cancer issues lately other than calling out Richardson for slacking which I'll guess is justified. I think that is one advantage to help young guys and be a leader here.

His skills have clearly shown a drop over the last 2 years and are in question at age 34.

Maybe, he said the reason for the big dropoff between 2015 and 2016 was the nagging foot injury that slowed him down. Then he got hurt again last year.

So we'll see, 34 IMO isn't old for a WR of his skill set. He's not a speedster or a player that relied on his speed and quickness..........and no he's not finally healthy, he admitted as much yesterday.

He said it'll take him well into preseason to get back into game shape.

I really wonder sometimes where these comments like these even come from??

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/age-of-decline-wr

Jumping off of the Cliff (35-plus years old)
As we saw in the first graph at the top of the article, the productivity of wide receivers really takes a dive after 34, making it hard to get excited about the comeback attempts of Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, and Plaxico Burress. Since Moss is the only employed member of this elderly trio, he’s being taken the highest with an ADP of WR43. That’s pretty high for a receiver who has been given the dreaded “snap count” designation in a mediocre pass offense. Besides, he only has 10 catches since week five of 2010.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

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[Seymour]

Officially a confirmed good signing now IMO.
I'm surprised he took it, but he's said more than once he'd like to play here, even on NFL live I heard him say that. :2thumbs:

 

[kidhawk]

These are the reasons we were able to sign him to such a friendly deal. Yes there is a possibility his career may be (or should be) over, but the contract makes it easily worth the risk to see what he's got. If he comes in here and can perform, then we keep him around on a really cheap deal. If he fails from the start, then we walk away pretty much unscathed. It's a win/win deal.

There is a level headed reply. Pretty much what I've been saying. I'm only disputing mostly the "he is our red zone answer crowd" mostly with recent facts that some here dislike or blow off with their personal bias. Yes, I think he can contribute and was cheap for a reason, and YES I think we are better off in the long run if Darboh puts him on the bench.

I wouldn't complain at all if Darboh shows so much that keeping Marshall becomes unnecessary due to Darboh's talent. I would also be happy if Marshall gets a second wind and shows that he's still got his red zone skills and can be a solid contributor to us this year. Either of these scenarios would benefit us tremendously.

On the flip side, if we have to keep Marshall because Darboh just isn't that good, or if we cut Marshall because he's washed up and Darboh doesn't meet expectations, we could have some red zone issues this season, and that would make for a difficult season ahead.

For now, I'll hold out for the positive scenarios and be happy with either. I'll keep the negative scenarios in the back of my mind, but hopefully they never come to fruition.

 

[Seymour]

These are the reasons we were able to sign him to such a friendly deal. Yes there is a possibility his career may be (or should be) over, but the contract makes it easily worth the risk to see what he's got. If he comes in here and can perform, then we keep him around on a really cheap deal. If he fails from the start, then we walk away pretty much unscathed. It's a win/win deal.

There is a level headed reply. Pretty much what I've been saying. I'm only disputing mostly the "he is our red zone answer crowd" mostly with recent facts that some here dislike or blow off with their personal bias. Yes, I think he can contribute and was cheap for a reason, and YES I think we are better off in the long run if Darboh puts him on the bench.

I wouldn't complain at all if Darboh shows so much that keeping Marshall becomes unnecessary due to Darboh's talent. I would also be happy if Marshall gets a second wind and shows that he's still got his red zone skills and can be a solid contributor to us this year. Either of these scenarios would benefit us tremendously.

On the flip side, if we have to keep Marshall because Darboh just isn't that good, or if we cut Marshall because he's washed up and Darboh doesn't meet expectations, we could have some red zone issues this season, and that would make for a difficult season ahead.

For now, I'll hold out for the positive scenarios and be happy with either. I'll keep the negative scenarios in the back of my mind, but hopefully they never come to fruition.

Exactly why I am speaking out on this! That highlighted scenario could easily happen IMO. A good run game can go a long ways to help that though, and they've done more to make that happen then make up for the 16 passing TD's they let walk. (I'm giving Solari the benefit of the doubt that he helps the running game)

 

[hawker84]

I dont mind the signing, really doesn't matter if the offensive line issues aren't any better this season and Russ will be running for his life again.

 

[toffee]

Marshall seems genuinely happy to be a Seahawks. He hasn’t been a locker room issue in recent years, in fact calling out slacking teammate was good, doing it via media was not but we don’t know the full story on that one.

Quite sure he joined us in pursue of joining the 1000 catch club, then call it a career. So he is a very motivated man knowing this is his last chance to join that exclusive club.

He still has some carryover injuries and he is old. I am still liking the signing, Marshall have months to recover from his injury and work in his conditioning.

His willingness to call out slackers would be God but send to push our 22-24 years old WRs.


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