A few random thoughts on Seattle's player personnel

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I'm looking forward to hearing Pete's annual offseason press conference some time in the next week. Though Pete is always a crafty politician who watches what he says with great care, I find him to be refreshingly candid. In every previous year he told us the areas of the team he wanted to upgrade, even getting pretty specific at times (speed at LB, etc). So I figured now would be a good time to look over the roster and highlight a few areas that might warrant consideration of some form.

-Malcolm Smith saw quite a bit of action after KJ Wright's injury, and the result was four interceptions in five games with two pick sixes. Though Smith plays LB, he's actually one of the fastest players on our entire defense (4.44 forty)... only Earl Thomas is (barely) faster (4.43 forty). Smith is not the hardest hitter, but he's a very good open field tackler and just seems to always be in position to make plays. Every time Seattle intends to drop two linebackers into their cover 3 zones it behooves Seattle to have Smith on the field. A lack of safety depth forced Seattle to play with 3 linebackers much more than they previously had, and I think at the very least, Smith has proven that he should be the team's defacto #3 LB. Smith is still under contract dirt cheap for one more season.

-What to do with Bruce Irvin? Irvin at his very best reminds me a little of Kam with wheels, but on the whole he's "only" been our 4th best LB in 2013. Considering that Seattle's linebacker situation has so much depth and that offseason additions at safety could revert Seattle back to it's preferred 3 safety "big nickle" packages with just 1-2 LBs on the field, Irvin could be at risk of becoming a specialist player who only sees a few snaps a game. As a pass rusher, that's not necessarily such a bad thing, but at LB it kind of feels like a waste. The good news is that Irvin has enough athletic versatility that he could find a role on all 3 levels of the defense, but what I'd prefer the most is to see the team experiment with Irvin as a Atari Bigby / Winston Guy type 3rd safety who specializes in attacking downfield and blitzing from all over the place.

-I think Schofield is actually a better all-around player right now than Clemons is at this point in their careers. Clemons can still bullrush a little, but his outside burn is nowhere close to what it once was. Schofield is a sound all around player that may not threaten 11 sacks, but he can blow you away with his run defense and his ability to defend the edge while forcing QBs to move in the pocket. My preference would be to lure Jared Allen to Seattle on a short term deal with promises of a ring, but if Seattle stays in house, I would be totally fine with promoting Schofield to the #2 pass rusher role. He's not a star, but he hustles and makes plays and with the supporting cast on defense that makes him a plus defender for us.

-I kinda think Mike Rob has played his last meaningful game with Seattle. I'm guessing Coleman takes over next year. Here's hoping the second go around won't be as painful.

-I think Percy Harvin has proven himself to be the Earl Thomas of our offense. By that I mean he's a guy who's mere presence on the field makes everyone else's job suddenly feel so much easier. I was kinda on the fence with this trade when it went down, but even in very limited action it is abundantly clear that his value to Seattle's offense goes way beyond his numbers. I now think this trade was incredibly clairvoyant on the part of Carroll, anticipating his team's biggest need almost a full year before it actually manifested itself on the field. If we didn't have a Percy Harvin, our top priority this offseason would be to find a Percy Harvin.

-I think the team will try to keep Rice with a restructure. IMO he's the most talented red line receiver we have on the team, and finding big WRs with polish is not easy to do, especially on the cheap. I also couldn't help but notice that opposing DCs started ignoring our WRs not too long after Rice hit IR. And when defenses ignored our WRs so that they could cheat up to punish Wilson and Lynch, that's when our offense went from outstanding to ugly. Seattle might just outright release Rice and acquire somebody else, but part of me suspects such a tact is plan B.

-Seattle should look at centers in this draft. Jeanpierre is a free agent, and the team needs to be prepared for a scenario where Unger's 2013 performance setback could potentially be permanent. Maybe Unger bounces back, but Seattle just can't afford another season of such poor interior run blocking and shouldn't take chances. Unger's interior run blocking used to be one of the biggest strengths on the entire team. In 2013, it swung to the other side. He was a liability. Did you know that Seattle was successful running the ball on 3rd/4th and short (2 yards or less) just 49% of the time this year? That percentage was dead last in the NFL. With Marshawn freaking Lynch carrying the football. Unthinkable. Unacceptable. Seattle had some lead blocking issues early in the season, but mostly it's been an inability to run block up the middle that was the biggest driving force behind that number.

-Giacomini had a nice season, and deserves another contract, IMO.

-JR Sweezy has made fewer splash plays but also fewer mistakes. Apples to Oranges, but we saw Kam and Earl start off with volatile debuts before losing some explosive plays in favor of sound play, before discovering how to be smart and dominant at the same time in 2013. If Sweezy continues to be steady going forward while remembering how utterly dominant he had previously been as a raw but athletic run blocker, he could nail down that right guard spot for a good long time.

-I think McQuistan will be gone for sure, and Carp will probably compete with Bailey and Bowie at LG next Summer. I think our biggest need on OL is actually at center, assuming we retain Giacomini. And even then, maybe Unger bounces back. Seattle's offense would certainly reach another level if Unger plays like his 2011 or 2012 version next season.
 

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Given this was Irvin's first year as a LBer (hell, remember in the offseason RRR where he was saying "I'm not a LBer" and Wagner was saying "Yes you are", it's as if that decision hadn't even been fully codified yet), there's no reason to think that he's not a big plan in the future. It's strange, I never see him make big plays, but also never see him get burned. Are defenses avoiding his area of the field? Is he even on the field that much?

I think his development is coming along just as we would have hoped.

I definitely think we need to keep Rice if we can. He was having a down year, yes, but remember literally the only full game he played with our starting O-Line was the season opener in Carolina, and he is NOT the type of receiver you look for when you're under pressure, because if the throw isn't right, it's an interception or incomplete 9 times out of 10. With solid protection, he's the type of guy that makes every catch thrown his way under coverage though. He'd have had 100 on a night like Sunday
 

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I'm hoping the issue with Unger is that his Bicep is still far from 100 percent. I'm pretty sure we'll see that come out in the laundry soon now that it's post season. He's still young and you just don't become bad at run blocking from one year to the next. The OL guys understandably play their injury status pretty close to the vest.
 

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I wholeheartedly agree with the Schofield assessment, he may never be the double digit sacker but he plays in position, correct leverage and can move the pocket. Very solid technician. I would like to see us draft a high end center and give Unger one more year. Also another quality guard is needed. those would be two of my first 3 picks.
 

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I say get rid of Rice. As much as I like him, we could use the space. I would think we could use the money for a higher priority.
 

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I wouldn't mind having Rice at the right price, but it has to be extremely team friendly. He may be but a shell of his former self after a devastating ACL tear.

I think Unger played hurt and this year was an anomaly for him.
 

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I agree with most except Rice. I think having a healthy Percy really negates Rice's value, especially when Rice is equally injury-prone.

Percy is going to be taking either the teams best cover DB, or in the backfield forcing as much commitment to his skill as Lynch does. Throw him in motion and the watch defense' balls end up in their throats. He is so hard to account for it causes instant chaos to Ds and actual efficiency to us.

If we restructure Sidney, as I understand it, were still cap hit for a portion of his old deal, and the full new deal. I wish they would shop around be it draft or waivers and find a decent tall, quick, jump ball WR type solution and hope he can establish some street cred benefiting from Percy's antics. Maybe then, if Percy goes down, defenses can put their stud on him and give ADB/Tate/Kearse/whoever is left their scrub coverage. Maybe it's not asking a lot to hope Kearse starts to develop into a reasonable, consistent threat.

My 2 cents FWIW (not much).
 

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Awesome stuff again Kearly, you should go take a week off to rest/enjoy the win, considering all the effort u put in here! :D
 

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kearly":3j7x65jm said:
I'm looking forward to hearing Pete's annual offseason press conference some time in the next week. Though Pete is always a crafty politician who watches what he says with great care, I find him to be refreshingly candid. In every previous year he told us the areas of the team he wanted to upgrade, even getting pretty specific at times (speed at LB, etc). So I figured now would be a good time to look over the roster and highlight a few areas that might warrant consideration of some form.

-Malcolm Smith saw quite a bit of action after KJ Wright's injury, and the result was four interceptions in five games with two pick sixes. Though Smith plays LB, he's actually one of the fastest players on our entire defense (4.44 forty)... only Earl Thomas is (barely) faster (4.43 forty). Smith is not the hardest hitter, but he's a very good open field tackler and just seems to always be in position to make plays. Every time Seattle intends to drop two linebackers into their cover 3 zones it behooves Seattle to have Smith on the field. A lack of safety depth forced Seattle to play with 3 linebackers much more than they previously had, and I think at the very least, Smith has proven that he should be the team's defacto #3 LB. Smith is still under contract dirt cheap for one more season.

Absolutely. Netting Smith in the 7th Round has got to be one of the greatest coups in Seahawks history.

kearly":3j7x65jm said:
-What to do with Bruce Irvin? Irvin at his very best reminds me a little of Kam with wheels, but on the whole he's "only" been our 4th best LB in 2013. Considering that Seattle's linebacker situation has so much depth and that offseason additions at safety could revert Seattle back to it's preferred 3 safety "big nickle" packages with just 1-2 LBs on the field, Irvin could be at risk of becoming a specialist player who only sees a few snaps a game. As a pass rusher, that's not necessarily such a bad thing, but at LB it kind of feels like a waste. The good news is that Irvin has enough athletic versatility that he could find a role on all 3 levels of the defense, but what I'd prefer the most is to see the team experiment with Irvin as a Atari Bigby / Winston Guy type 3rd safety who specializes in attacking downfield and blitzing from all over the place.

*Sigh* Bruce Irvin is a bit of an enigma for me right now. I mean, can you honestly as you sit here today think of any spectacular play that he made anywhere during the regular season or postseason? I can't. But at the same time, I don't know that I can really point to him as being a glaring weak link in either our run or pass coverage either. To my eye, he's been solid at best at LB -- neither a liability nor really what you'd call an asset either. Carroll brought this guy in because he could do 1 thing and do it well -- rush the passer. And that's not a bad thing nor makes him a bust by any means. If it were me, that's what I'd get back to with Irvin -- have him rush the passer and move someone else in to that WLB Position.

kearly":3j7x65jm said:
-I think Schofield is actually a better all-around player right now than Clemons is at this point in their careers. Clemons can still bullrush a little, but his outside burn is nowhere close to what it once was. Schofield is a sound all around player that may not threaten 11 sacks, but he can blow you away with his run defense and his ability to defend the edge while forcing QBs to move in the pocket. My preference would be to lure Jared Allen to Seattle on a short term deal with promises of a ring, but if Seattle stays in house, I would be totally fine with promoting Schofield to the #2 pass rusher role. He's not a star, but he hustles and makes plays and with the supporting cast on defense that makes him a plus defender for us.

I totally agree with you on Clemons. In all honesty, even though he came up big in the Super Bowl ... I think we're seeing diminishing returns on him. If I were them, I'd cut bait with Clemons and (like you said) either go the Schofield route or another FA Pass Rusher like a Jared Allen. IMO the money Seattle would be paying Clemons could be best allocated elsewhere given his age and production at this point. That said, with the salary cap issues this team will be facing coming up though, I'd probably go with Schofield and pour my resources in to trying to retain Bennett.

kearly":3j7x65jm said:
-I kinda think Mike Rob has played his last meaningful game with Seattle. I'm guessing Coleman takes over next year. Here's hoping the second go around won't be as painful.

Sadly, I would have to concur. What a way for MRob to go out though.

kearly":3j7x65jm said:
-I think Percy Harvin has proven himself to be the Earl Thomas of our offense. By that I mean he's a guy who's mere presence on the field makes everyone else's job suddenly feel so much easier. I was kinda on the fence with this trade when it went down, but even in very limited action it is abundantly clear that his value to Seattle's offense goes way beyond his numbers. I now think this trade was incredibly clairvoyant on the part of Carroll, anticipating his team's biggest need almost a full year before it actually manifested itself on the field. If we didn't have a Percy Harvin, our top priority this offseason would be to find a Percy Harvin.

You betcha. During those times he was in there, you saw very clearly what he can do to a defense and for the rest of Seattle's WR's. Money very well spent.

kearly":3j7x65jm said:
-I think the team will try to keep Rice with a restructure. IMO he's the most talented red line receiver we have on the team, and finding big WRs with polish is not easy to do, especially on the cheap. I also couldn't help but notice that opposing DCs started ignoring our WRs not too long after Rice hit IR. And when defenses ignored our WRs so that they could cheat up to punish Wilson and Lynch, that's when our offense went from outstanding to ugly. Seattle might just outright release Rice and acquire somebody else, but part of me suspects such a tact is plan B.

From my vantage point, this ranks 2nd on the priority list right behind addressing the needs f the offensive line. You are precisely correct on your assessment of the WR situation -- once Rice went down, defenses no longer had that big body WR with speed that they had to respect, so started cheating up and playing the rest of our WR's tight. Regarding Rice, I couldn't disagree more. Don't forget that when he was in there, he wasn't exactly getting separation whatsoever. I'm thinking that the issues with that knee and his salary are going to end up being the death knell when it comes to his spot on this roster. I'd look for Schneider to make finding another tall, big body WR (somewhere out there whether that be via trade, FA, or the draft) a high priority this offseason.

kearly":3j7x65jm said:
-Seattle should look at centers in this draft. Jeanpierre is a free agent, and the team needs to be prepared for a scenario where Unger's 2013 performance setback could potentially be permanent. Maybe Unger bounces back, but Seattle just can't afford another season of such poor interior run blocking and shouldn't take chances. Unger's interior run blocking used to be one of the biggest strengths on the entire team. In 2013, it swung to the other side. He was a liability. Did you know that Seattle was successful running the ball on 3rd/4th and short (2 yards or less) just 49% of the time this year? That percentage was dead last in the NFL. With Marshawn freaking Lynch carrying the football. Unthinkable. Unacceptable. Seattle had some lead blocking issues early in the season, but mostly it's been an inability to run block up the middle that was the biggest driving force behind that number.

Spot on. And we saw Unger struggle again in the Super Bowl, as Knighton was beating him left and right. I don't know if Unger's issues are because of the pectoral issue or what, but he really struggled a lot this season -- and Pro Football Focus concurred. I would make Center probably Priority #1 if I were Schneider. That 28-32 range in the 1st Round has traditionally been a great place to find quality centers in the past -- I'm thinking that may be where Seattle goes with the #32 pick.

kearly":3j7x65jm said:
-I think McQuistan will be gone for sure, and Carp will probably compete with Bailey and Bowie at LG next Summer. I think our biggest need on OL is actually at center, assuming we retain Giacomini. And even then, maybe Unger bounces back. Seattle's offense would certainly reach another level if Unger plays like his 2011 or 2012 version next season.

Totally agreed.
 

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Hawkscanner":1j1peyav said:
*Sigh* Bruce Irvin is a bit of an enigma for me right now. I mean, can you honestly as you sit here today think of any spectacular play that he made anywhere during the regular season or postseason? I can't. But at the same time, I don't know that I can really point to him as being a glaring weak link in either our run or pass coverage either. To my eye, he's been solid at best at LB -- neither a liability nor really what you'd call an asset either. Carroll brought this guy in because he could do 1 thing and do it well -- rush the passer. And that's not a bad thing nor makes him a bust by any means. If it were me, that's what I'd get back to with Irvin -- have him rush the passer and move someone else in to that WLB Position.

I know Irvin made several big plays this year. @Stl he was a monster. He had the INT on great coverage. He had that incredible FF where he chased Clemons field and stripped the ball before he could throw it. He also had a sack and 9 tackles. To me that showed what his potential is. After that game though he really dropped off the rest of the season.

Here is his line from that game. 9 tackles (8 solo) 1 sack 1 FF 1 INT. The rest of the season though 31 tackles 1 sack.
 

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I suspect Unger's "issues" are a combination of injury and facing some of the toughest interior linemen in the league . . . including Knighton. I also believe center is the hardest position to play and the easiest to criticize. How many years did we want to get rid of Tobeck? Answer: all of them. Center is always going to be the weak link, becuase its brutally difficult to be mental and physical all in a 2 second time span.

Giacomini is a nice player, but I can see Pete and John replacing him for cheap with Bowie, Bailey and a rookie. They don't hesitate to start young players on the line, and its an easy way to save 3-4 million over what Giacomini would likely cost. Same goes for LG.

I think short term sacrifices will be made on offense to keep the team young and the defense in tact. I don't see this team re-signing its older players. Anyone within 2-3 years of 30 is not likely to be a priority.
 

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Rice and Harvin are both highly paid but they fill very different roles. Tate(UFA) and Baldwin(RFA) also factor into the WR discussion because we need to make decisions about them fairly soon.

Spotrac has an excellent list of the FA WR's here and there are several dozen good receivers on that list. This is also supposed to be one of the better drafts for receivers.
 

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And remember, if you are not one of the top 10-12 players on the team, you are at risk. I don't count Giacomini anywhere near that group.
 

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I think we have finally found our LBing trio...Young, Fast and good tacklers...(Smith, Wagner, Wright). I do think that depth at LB is a bonus and that having a player who could back-up SS as well or be a speed rusher if needed isn't a bad thing to have. Like a utility player in baseball, B. Irvin kinda fits that role and he's cheap right now. They all can't be Richard Sherman superstars you have to have those unique guys as well.

As much as I thought Rice was over priced for what he was doing, I agree. After he went down it just seemed like our Red Zone passing offense went in the tank. We saw it in the Superbowl, I love Kearse to death but a couple more inches and he out jumps a LB for a touchdown. We just didn't really have that tall guy to throw the high ball to. But we can't keep him at current price.

There's no doubt there are going to be some tough decisions on the DL. There are a lot of key guys that we need to keep and I really think that Clemons and Red if they are gonna stay will be taking a pay cut. If not I don't see them being here next year. But we need to make sure we don't lose the pass rush, it was huge this year.

Like you, I just don't think we have solved the OL issues. Moffett gone, Carp not a first rounder...Cable needs to get a scout on par with our defensive scouts to get a guy in the late rounds that can outshine his draft status. Our defense is built on this now we need our offense to catch up.

Good post, don't disagree with anything.
 

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I think there are a lot of guys who will be offered smallish deals in a take it or leave it scenario. Tate, Breno, Smith in particular come to mind. I'm most curious what they do with Maxwell. His deal is up after next season. Are they going to try and sign him now before he has a full season of awesome under his belt and wants Sherman money?
 

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I just don't know if Irvin can cover and has proved he has the vision to be a 3rd safety.
 

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I predict a very different O-line as well. The interior was just miserable.
 

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Do we resign Jeanpeierre or draft a future replacement/ back up for Unger? and don't we have to keep MRob around in some capacity to speak for the beast? I mean its been said that Lynch is wanting to retire as it is.
 

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What about TE? Cutting or at least restructuring Miller has to be in the plan. If he is cut we will need to address the position in FA or draft. Normally TEs don't come in and produce/play effectively the first year, so FA may be needed.
 
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