A few player usage decisions I'm hoping for

kearly

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This topic is probably four months too early, but I'm bored. I'm just thinking out loud here...

As always, I trust the coaches. I support how they use their roster even when I disagree, and for the record, I usually end up on the wrong side when I disagree with their usage. With that said, here are some personnel usages that I'm really hoping to see next season:

Christine Michael and Percy Harvin see significant reps at RB.

With an open field ahead of him, Marshawn Lynch can still hit the low 4.4s. But in traffic, he's probably more like a 4.6 guy. It's not that Lynch is slow, it's just that he builds his game off of resilience and not explosiveness, and with bodies around him, it shows. It's hard to be explosive or run at top gear while in the drunken master rushing stance, as awesome as that running style may be. If you can find it, watch Lynch's 70+ yard TD against Detroit. Notice how his running style changes in the open? It's like he has a "beast mode" and a "sprint mode."

Lynch is Mr. Consistent. I don't think there is a RB in the NFL that is even close to as good as Lynch that runs for 20+ less often. Lynch makes up for it by rushing for 3-5 yards very consistently. Lynch is elite and he's complete as a back, but if there is one thing he's not, it's being explosive in traffic.

The really cool thing about Christine Michael and Percy Harvin is that not only are they among the most explosive athletes in the NFL, but they are very physical runners with great balance, power and resilience. They are explosive in traffic in a way that Lynch isn't. Lynch lumbers and clobbers. I liked how Scottemojo described Christine Michael: "part ghost part truck." He can run you over but he can also vanish with his insane burst through a wall of defenders before they can close on him. There will be rushes during the season where Lynch would go for 5 hard fought yards that Harvin or Michael would be taking to the house.

This is by no means a repudiation of Beast Mode. He's one of the elite running backs in the NFL. I just think it's no coincidence that Seattle went out and spent a 1st, 2nd, and (future) 3rd round picks on two players with the kind of explosive skillset that compliments Lynch perfectly.

Last year, Seattle's #1 RB had four times as many carries as the #2 RB. I think a nice goal for 2013 might be for Lynch to get 60% of the non-QB rushes (based on last year's numbers that would be 265 carries compared to 315 last year) with Michael and Harvin getting preference with the rest (approximately 175 remaining carries). I think the more those two see backfield next year, the better our offense will be.

I think this is pretty likely to happen, and it's a great move for the team, IMO.

Michael Bennett gets more 5-tech reps than Red Bryant does.

What do Michael Bennett, Cameron Jordan, and Corey Liuget have in common? All three were solid 3-techs who exploded in sack production when moving into a 5-tech type role. From the sound of it, Seattle will use Bennett like Jason Jones, and Jones probably saw (I'm guessing), a solid 70% of his snaps inside at DT. That feels like a waste to me, as Bennett has a little bit of Osi in his game at defensive end but with run defense that Umenyiora could never dream of.

The team just drafted a potential over-achiever 3-tech in Jordan Hill and Greg Scruggs is up to 295 pounds, which is prototypical weight for a 3-tech. Given that Bennett had nine sacks last year playing mostly outside AND was one of the better run defenders in the NFL (PFF), it should be a priority to man the strong side defensive end spot as much as possible. Just two of Bennett's sacks last year came from the DT spot.

In a best case scenario, Bennett continues the stardom he had last season in the 5-tech role with Bryant becoming a rotational player. I think this benefits Bryant too since it would keep his workload down which helps him stay fresh and healthy. Jesse Williams should get some work in too at DE, if only to see if Dan Quinn can turn that 4.9 forty at 323 pounds into pressures. Williams didn't see time at DE at Alabama, so he might have upside there that we don't know about. Williams is Red Bryant with speed.

If Bennett can prove to be as good a run defender at the 5-tech as a healthy Bryant, it makes sense to use him there as much as possible. The upgrade to the pass rush would be enormous.

Seattle does not depend on Avril the way they did on Clemons last year.

Seattle's entire pass rush centered around Clemons the last couple years, especially in their early down formations (Bryant, Branch, Mebane, Clemons). That's basically one true pass rusher getting it done for us. I like Cliff Avril a lot, but would you trust a one dimensional edge rusher like him in that kind of situation? I wouldn't.

I think Seattle needs to throw Avril a bone if they end up relying on him as the LEO while Clemons recovers. Use Bennett more at DE. Use Jesse Williams and Red Bryant sparingly as they add zilch to the pass rush. Get Jordan Hill and Greg Scruggs as many 3-tech reps as possible. Send a 5th pass rusher more often. If Clemons comes back 100%, I think at that point Seattle can probably revert to their previous run defense heavy fronts, but I wouldn't personally get that cute with Avril. I'd make sure he had help.

I think this probably happens eventually, but I suspect Pete will learn the hard way first.

KJ Wright becomes a specialist; Seattle gives Allen Bradford serious consideration at SAM

KJ Wright is kind of the Red Bryant of our LB corps. He's an elite enforcer at the line of scrimmage against the run, like having another defensive end. He's just so-so as a blitzer though and has shown himself to be a liability at times in coverage because of his lack of speed (He's a 4.75 forty guy in a group full of 4.45 runners).

There is a lot of talk about Avril and Irvin moving to SAM next season part time, so it sounds like this might already be in the plans.

Last year I took notes during every preseason game and wrote comprehensive post-game summaries here at .net that covered just about every player that took the field for Seattle. One of the players who really surprised me was former USC RB Allen Bradford. He was hurt and played in just one game (week 4- Oakland). But in that one game, he was a truck at linebacker. 240 pounds running at low 4.5s speed. He was laying huge hits at high speed left and right. More than that, Bradford had much better instincts than I expected. Turns out that Bradford was a very highly recruited LB coming out of High School. After watching that preseason game, I believe it.

I know it was just one game, one preseason game, but that game left a hell of an impression on me, and I still wonder if Bradford might be our best outside linebacker at least in terms of physical talent.

It made a huge impression on Pete Carroll too. Pete went out of his way to talk about Bradford in a recent radio interview when asked about not drafting linebackers, specifically citing the Raiders preseason game. Seems Bradford caught Pete's eye as well.

I'm not anointing Bradford, but I think he deserves serious consideration for playing time and I expect that Pete will have a vigorous competition at linebacker this year. If all goes well we could see a fully specialized linebacker corps next year with each linebacker being used to his greatest strengths.

Golden Tate sees more reps than Doug Baldwin.

The addition of Harvin will mean that Tate and Baldwin will see the field less often in 2013. The Seahawks are going to cycle through a lot of receivers though I expect Harvin and Rice to be near constants. With Tate and Baldwin competing for playing time against each other, who should get more? Tate? Baldwin? Maybe a 50/50 split? Personally, I lean towards Tate getting the majority share.

Tate had far more yards per target last year than Baldwin did in either of his seasons, and Tate also makes tough catches look routine while Baldwin sometimes makes routine catches look tough at times. More importantly, I don't think Baldwin will see the field much in the slot next year thanks to the additions of Harvin and TE Luke Willson, and as an outside receiver Tate is clearly superior, in my opinion. That plus Tate stays healthy, and that's something Baldwin struggles with, so it makes sense to limit the reps of the less durable option.

It sucks that either one of them has to have his reps reduced. Both are quality receivers and I thought Tate was a breakout candidate in 2013 before the Harvin addition knocked his rep count down a little bit. Tate nearly led the NFL in yards per target and catch rate last year, was among the league leaders in YAC, and has become a very good blocker.
 

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Nice job Kearly. I am hoping someone other than McCoy siezes the #2 TE spot. Cant wait to see our RB core in action. The defence will be much better than last year. I know Im a homer,but how can you not love this team?
 

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I have to agree with you on Allen Bradford, I remember watching him in the preseason and was very impressed wirth his ability to fill against the run, and IIRC, he was playing with a cast on his hand which would impact his ability to get off blocks. I was nervous every time he was released from the practice squad last year, but im glad he's still with us and will look forward to him making a bigger impression this year.
 

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While I will be watching the team to see if the players are utilized the way you're hoping for, I will also be watching closely the TE and backup QB positions. I hope for very spirited competition in both that soon makes for very obvious final roster winners similar to the way the starting QB position played out last year. For backup QB, while many seem to have already anointed Quinn, I find myself rooting for Jerrod Johnson to practice and play lights out. And it wouldn't surprise me if he does. But I root even harder for a spirited competition and the job being given to whoever rightfully earned it.
 

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All I know is the way you write up stuff Kearly, makes me wish you were one of our coaches.
 

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EverydayImRusselin":9qfex5mk said:
All I know is the way you write up stuff Kearly, makes me wish you were one of our coaches.

Which coach would you have him replace?
 

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bestfightstory":1djlzq2y said:
EverydayImRusselin":1djlzq2y said:
All I know is the way you write up stuff Kearly, makes me wish you were one of our coaches.

Which coach would you have him replace?

Pete.

The rest of the staff carries him anyways. :0190l:
 

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That was a great read and I dont really disagree on anything but..

kearly":2xb76c9f said:
There will be rushes during the season where Lynch would go for 5 hard fought yards that Harvin or Michael would be taking to the house.

..I think there will also be rushes where Lynch would bulldoze a good 5 yards when Michael/Harvin will be stopped at the line of scrimmage. Not that they arent physical guys but Lynch is still ahead in yards after contact -type of bruising and mauling. And the cowboy-stance makes it hard for defenders to read.

Atleast the new RBs will have to prove me wrong before I believe otherwise.
 

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bestfightstory":i6a3yaig said:
EverydayImRusselin":i6a3yaig said:
All I know is the way you write up stuff Kearly, makes me wish you were one of our coaches.

Which coach would you have him replace?

No one. I just really like the way Kearly lays everything out there for you (here and the draft blog).
 

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Nice post. I agree most strongly about Michael Bennett seeing more snaps at 5 tech than Red. I know Red is a fan fave here on .Net, but I really do not like playing a 4-3 defensive end that brings no pass rush. Hate it. And as you pointed out, its not like we were blitzing to make up for it. It was all too often Clemons or nothing. Bennett seems like the PERFECT hybrid between Red and a LEO. He's big enough to hold up against the run but he can really get after the QB.

Honestly, I am hoping that Bennett takes over, and after this season Red's ridiculous contract gets terminated, and Bennett gets resigned. Red can come back on a more reasonable deal if he wants.
 

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Great post. It seems as though Turbin is the forgotten guy now that Michael and Harvin are in the fold.
 

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Ruminator":227a7mjt said:
...For backup QB, while many seem to have already anointed Quinn, I find myself rooting for Jerrod Johnson to practice and play lights out. And it wouldn't surprise me if he does. But I root even harder for a spirited competition and the job being given to whoever rightfully earned it.

I'm with you 100%. I think Jerrod Johnson has the most similar skill set to Wilson. Actually Johnson makes me think of Colin Kaepernick.
I think the Johnson vs. Quinn battle for the backup job will add a lot of interest to the preseasons. Not totally dismissing Josh Portis, but I'd feel a lot more confident with the other two in a real NFL game, especially Quinn at the moment, but I'm eager for Johnson to show what he's got.
 

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Totally agree with you about the 5 tech Kearly. I was actually hoping they'd have Bryant lose some weight so make him quicker and relieve pressure on his feet, but that was before Bennet was signed. It's obvious from seeing Bennet play here, and in Tampa, that he's better on the outside, and above average on the inside. I didn't hear that Scruggs was up to 295. I wonder how quick he'll play at that weight.

I agree with Twilighterror on his Lynch assessment. Lynch won't always break one to the house, but he'll always break one tackle....or more. Turbin is a tough runner, but he's not in Lynch's class (who is at breaking tackles?) and there was a differenece when Turbo was in there. He'd get more yardage on swing passes, and he is definately faster, but if someone got to him quick, he'd get by that person but wasn't nearly as effective as Lynch. I agree with your assessement Kearly, that Lynch doesn't have great burst in traffic, but his running style is unique: he makes guys whiff and he's incredibly good at breaking tackles and not only keeping his momentum, but gaining some. He can actually slowly accelerate while running through a tackle. It's amazing.

Kearly, what is your assessment of Turbin's style, and how do you think he will fit in ? I personally thought he had a pretty decent rookie season, and as the season went on, I actually thought he would've benefitted from more carries. I also think he will improve this year, unless he gets buried in the depth chart by Harvin and Michael. I don't see Harvin getting as many reps out of the backfield now with the addition of Michael, if Michael lives up to his billing/expectations.

Interesting take on our LBing corps. It's obvious the coaching staff likes someone as WILL. I thought Morgan did a pretty good job filling in last year, and I read somewhere he runs a low 4.5. It stands to reason he will improve as well this year with more reps. I don't see Wright coming off the field much unless we go big Nickel, and then we'd probably only see our MLB out there anyways. I think Smith has neared his ceiling really.

Also agree with Tate and Baldwin. Here's the thing with Tate: he's really, really good with the ball in his hands. He just had a problem getting open enough to get the ball earlier in his career. I actually think Tate is more elusive than Harvin is. Harvin is much more explosive and more of a threat to go to the house, but Tate seems to make more people miss, and he's harder to bring down with contact than Harvin is (he's also bigger). I saw more routine sideline catches from Tate end up with some YAC and at least 3 guys missing him than pretty much anyone else in the NFL last year. Seriously, that's really hard to do ON the sideline. Defenders are taught to use that sideline as a defender, and Tate makes that look difficult. I don't see how you keep him off the field. I'm excited to see the dynamic that Harvin and Tate bring at the same time; both are great after the catch, and both are willing and good downfield blockers. I could see those two blocking for eachother a lot downfield.
 

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Even though Percy has the ability to line up out wide, I imagine the coaches would think he's best suited in the slot. I'm sure we'll see both looks, but I would say Doug is the one most likely to have his reps affected. Tate is arguably a better deep threat than Percy, so it makes sense to get him on the outside with Percy drawing attention in the short and intermediate areas.

I am also optimistic that this offense dominates time of possession this season and thus gets plenty of reps for all four of our top receivers. Also, keep this in mind: before last season, MN limited the number snaps Percy took on offense to preserve his health given his playing style. He generally only played about 60% of the snaps. I wouldn't be surprised if Seattle also kept his reps low given the depth it has at receiver. I imagine all four receivers will get plenty of opportunities.
 

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Nice stuff again Kearly. Going back to your RB talk, what happens to Turbin in your scenario?
 

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Love the breakdown on Lynch, and how the offense is made to keep him pounding the rock all season long. I'm excited to see how this team operates (especially with the added weapons). They had issues converting on third down, so they went out an addressed the issue with Harvin and Michael.


ETA*** I forgot to mention how much I like to watch Turbin catch balls in the open field (home boy above me just reminded me of that aspect). His speed and agility, really help him break away for big chunks of yards when the opposing defense least expects it. Turbin is a lot more dynamic than people give him credit for (because he looks like a brute), he just needs the touches to get the gears churning.


Good times. Off-season seems to be flying by for me. WOO!


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Good stuff as usual.

How they utilize Michael is going to be an interesting thing to watch. He's too talented to ride the pine, but Beast is too talented to not get his touches in. Too much talent in the backfield is a great problem to have though.

I'm with you on the 5-tech conundrum. I love what Red brings to this team and how stout he is at the LOS, but big boy needs to be able to bring the pressure and he just can't. It that regard, I think he's a little over rated and over paid. I hope to see Bennett get in there as the "starter" (as much as we have real "starters" on the d-line) and save Red to rotate in on the 2nd/3rd and short downs. I didn't realize Scruggs had gotten so big. I hope it's quality weight and he was able to keep his speed because I love the tools that guy has. If he can keep the speed, he'll be a wicked 3-tech.

Add me to the list of people who have high hopes for Bradford. Dude has great speed, hits hard and looks like he's going to be a pain in a lot of people's ass if he gets on the field.

I know I'm a well documented Golden Tate fanboy, but I don't see the addition of Harvin taking away too many of GT's reps. I don't profess to have studied Harvin in any more detail than what I've seen on sportscenter, but I don't think his strength is on the outside the way Tate's is. I see them sticking to Tate as the X or the Z and keeping Harvin in the slot. That's not to say they won't swap Tate for Harvin in the 2 WR sets, but when they do, I see them overloading one side and having Harvin in the slot more often than just keeping him on the outside. Tate is a 'go get it' kind of reciever and his strength is on the outside; I don't see us marginalizing what he brings like that. Unfortunately I DO see Baldwin's reps getting greatly reduced though as he's primarily a slot guy. It's not that he's bad in any way (on the contrary, I think he's great) but with Harvin and Harper now in the mix he's going to be the odd man out. Much like the backfield, too much talent at WR is also a great problem for us to have.

Can't wait for camps to start.......
 

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Bradford has some sexy numbers, but I'll wait until I see some LB instincts out of him. I'm much higher on Wright than some, though, so I don't see a change happening anytime. Wright has the kind of physicality against the run and length against the pass that would be sorely missed. I love his intense, downhill play. Him and Wagner are going to be a good duo for a long time, and I see Wright actually sliding over to WLB to keep him on the field as they experiment with Avril and Irvin at the SAM.

Red simply HAS to stay healthy. And that is a criticism. We've seen him at less than 100% a lot and that's not the kind of player we need at the position. His value comes from dominating tackles at the point of attack and disrupting the edge on runs. When he's not doing that there are a lot of players that could give what he does. I'm hoping Red is healthy because when he's on he's absolutely a force for our defense, but at this point I agree that there need to be serious options ready to slide in. If Bennett or Williams add some pass rush that might be the template for the position going forward.
 

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I just hope there comes a time, and soon, when we get to see Clemons, Bennett, Hill, Avril and Irvin on the field at the same time, in Seattle, in an obvious passing situation. That will be fun.
 

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Many of these usage decisions come down to how NFL teams view depth. For example, a quick look at our defensive line shows that starter is just a title. What we actually have is a rotation where we are splitting 250-300 snaps between six or seven players. This reduces the total contribution you get from individual players but more importantly increases their effectiveness per snap.

At RB, Michael was obviously drafted with an eye to the future, but his presence should make Lynch a more efficient runner in the short term and may help extend Lynch's career. The change of pace back concept works both ways as well, much like how having a good change-up can make a pitcher's fastball more effective.

At WR, Harvin was MVP caliber effective the way Minnesota used him and I imagine we are going to at least start with that formula. Lots of short completions behind the line of scrimmage with very high YAC. Force the opposing CB to press and then the opposing defense has to make a tough choice. Double coverage on Harvin that frees up our other receivers in the option passing game, or single press coverage with a high probability of Wilson finding Harvin downfield for big plays. Fisher alluded to the former on Sirius this week discussing division rivals, and if teams go that route it will only help our other receivers.
 
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