Why would anyone be complaining?

[SonicHawk]

Naw man, we aren't being annoying at all. You got your pouty face on like my damn 2 year old lol. Things didn't go your way this year and it's all doom and gloom. It's pretty obvious a lot of us were ready for change, and you were fine with the status quo. I get it, change can suck.. But it can be a hell of a lot better than what we have had the last 10ish years.

Your insults are as weak as your football takes.

You being ready for a change doesn't mean that change is good. This front office already had an uphill battle fixing what was wrong. Instead dismantling the old guard and building on a core of youth they've patched it up with the one season wonder and a couple of guys nearing the end of their careers. Half of this board just screams "wait for the draft" as if that wasn't an option. We're allowed to view the moves differently and in fact both have valid viewpoints.

We are both fans of the same team -- I also hope that it works out. I want Sam Darnold to be SB MVP next year. What kind of fan wouldn't?

But as a fan, who enjoys escaping work and life to dive deep into something that doesn't actually matter, I have my concerns that my chosen tribe won't be as good next year -- or the forseeable future. If those concerns aren't of merit to you, then fine. We are arguing here for no other reason than just to argue. We're arguing in good faith, as fans of the same team, who just happen to have differing views of the moves of a man who doesn't care about our thoughts and yelling them into the void for entertainment.

 

[ruffENrowdy]

Your insults are as weak as your football takes.

You being ready for a change doesn't mean that change is good. This front office already had an uphill battle fixing what was wrong. Instead dismantling the old guard and building on a core of youth they've patched it up with the one season wonder and a couple of guys nearing the end of their careers. Half of this board just screams "wait for the draft" as if that wasn't an option. We're allowed to view the moves differently and in fact both have valid viewpoints.

We are both fans of the same team -- I also hope that it works out. I want Sam Darnold to be SB MVP next year. What kind of fan wouldn't?

But as a fan, who enjoys escaping work and life to dive deep into something that doesn't actually matter, I have my concerns that my chosen tribe won't be as good next year -- or the forseeable future. If those concerns aren't of merit to you, then fine. We are arguing here for no other reason than just to argue. We're arguing in good faith, as fans of the same team, who just happen to have differing views of the moves of a man who doesn't care about our thoughts and yelling them into the void for entertainment.

It was nit meant to be an insult dude, it was an observation. Its been super annoying seeing the same people who were getting after the people who said we were done with Geno acting like this.. Like it's the end of the world lol. I think I speak for a few more people than myself as well. And hell no, I'm not a damn genius with football, but I know it. Pretty sure we are all in the same boat as far as that goes.

 

[Natethegreat]

Your insults are as weak as your football takes.

You being ready for a change doesn't mean that change is good. This front office already had an uphill battle fixing what was wrong. Instead dismantling the old guard and building on a core of youth they've patched it up with the one season wonder and a couple of guys nearing the end of their careers. Half of this board just screams "wait for the draft" as if that wasn't an option. We're allowed to view the moves differently and in fact both have valid viewpoints.

We are both fans of the same team -- I also hope that it works out. I want Sam Darnold to be SB MVP next year. What kind of fan wouldn't?

But as a fan, who enjoys escaping work and life to dive deep into something that doesn't actually matter, I have my concerns that my chosen tribe won't be as good next year -- or the forseeable future. If those concerns aren't of merit to you, then fine. We are arguing here for no other reason than just to argue. We're arguing in good faith, as fans of the same team, who just happen to have differing views of the moves of a man who doesn't care about our thoughts and yelling them into the void for entertainment.

I get it, and I agree that 10 is definitely not a floor. We have a brand new QB, OC, and WR core. Thats a lot to put together and be effective in one offseason. Not sure why signing a couple guys that are older make you so upset though.
Its like your stuck on being upset without taking the reality of the situation into account. Free agency was used to plug some holes and yes they aren't long term options but hopefully they are short term ones and the draft provides long term answers.
Those contracts are not going to sink this teams ability to compete in the future so no worries.
I think the push back your getting is just because you seem intent on being upset about signings that look to help this team out and we are confused why you seem so intent on being aggravated by them.

 

[Gametime]

I don’t believe that JS or anyone is expecting 2021 Cooper Kupp or vintage D Law. That’s not why we paid them. They are, however, players who can still play a significant role. When you have that talent and ability, even in later years it doesn’t mean they can’t be effective. The problem isnt the player. It’s the expectations people have. Its a new scheme and we will see far more 2 WR sets. Kubiak led the league in 2 WR sets or close to it. We don’t need 3-4 top WRs on the field anymore. We need smart, tough, and focused route runners. Kupp is that! DK was not. Nobody should be expecting a return to prime production. But why does that mean they won’t have an impact? I don’t get it. Kupp had comparable numbers to DK in less games with less drops and drama and everyone is mad he’s making less than Half what DK is going to make? That math doesn’t math to me. We got talented players who can impact the game not only with their play but with their mentorship and example. You think JSN won’t benefit from learning from Kupp? Or Mafe getting to learn from D Law? Who cares if it’s not the impact they would have made 4 years ago. It doesn’t mean it was a bad move. I’m more excited now than ever because the team is clearly working to improve and manage the cap and draft capital for the future and I guarantee that there are fans of other teams that would trade spots with us in a heart beat. Enjoy the ride and let’s see where they stand after the draft.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I'm just curious why anyone would be complaining with the moves in the last couple weeks. DK and Geno were not elite, but we got a 2nd and 3rd while saving a ton of cap space and possibly upgrading with Darnold while getting younger. MVS might be a downgrade from DK but gives a similar play style. Cupp is probably an upgrade from Lockette if you factor in the run first offense while JSN can play inside and outside. Kubiak and Benton are significant upgrades from Grubb and Huff which might help the oline tremendously, which is a young group that can still improve. Added draft picks + comp picks might equal a really good draft. AJ Barner looks like a stud in the making and the RB room might be one of the best in 2025. Tank as a rotational player helps the D-line no matter how you look at it. Knight and Jones great LB combo and they have a full season under Macdonald.

I'm more excited about this team than I've been in a decade. I think 10 wins is the floor. I really don't understand the criticism, this is one of the best off-seasons I've seen. I think Darnold is a perfect match with Kubiak especially with the receivers, RBs, and Barner. Oline will only be better with this play style. Anything less than 12 wins is a disappointment, this team looks special

-Darnold isn't an upgrade. Lateral move at best.

-Kubiak and Benton are oft-recycled coordinators along the lines of Darell Bevell.

-Kupp is good, but now we have two slot receivers. JSN is not an outside guy and I'm really hoping people realize that Bobo is a JAG.

-MVS was a drop machine in Kansas City.

-I do expect some improvement along the OL with even bog-standard coaching. Grubb and Huff were entirely out of their depth.

-The draft and defense situations I am definitely enthused about.

So. Mixed bag. Schneider made the best out of a bunch of bad decisions, saved us some money, and snatched some draft picks into the bargain. Not bad at all given what he had to work with. But our only Super Bowl shot in 2025 is with a newly drafted QB becoming a rookie sensation, which I don't see happening.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Because change scares a lot of people. Heck, there are still fans out there that were perfectly content with Carroll and the limbo the team was in.

 

[stang233]

It’s just not built for success. Let’s sign players 31, 32,33 years old. Let’s not address our biggest weakness with IOL and pay the same money for an aging DE. So dumb. This team will NOT be better

 

[Rat]

I enjoy the analysis and honest discussion. It's not fun for me to just go "oh yippie, this guy is great, we're going to be great!". I'm familiar with who most of these players are before we make moves for them. It feels dishonest to me to change my opinions to fit an optimistic view of the team.

If I'm "complaining" about something, it doesn't mean I'm rooting for it to not work out for the team. I don't care if people take receipts. If I'm wrong, I'll happily eat crow if things turned out better than I had projected.

It's a complex game. We each have things about it that have attracted us. I don't think it's fair to make assumptions about what we're like in our personal lives if being company men isn't how we like to fan.

 

[Torc]

To those that are upset about us signing older players - which players were available that are younger and better than Kupp and Lawrence? Given that Geno wanted to leave or make $45 million, which QB should JS have gone after instead?

 

[WestCoastChippewa]

DK not elite? 2 pro bowls and a 2nd team all pro might disagree with that statement. DK didn't just randomly claim he wanted a trade out of no where. JS screwed this team by not being a listener and making adjustments. Make DK happy or trade him for a first...but be smarter than to let DK request a trade and cost the team.

I want Darnold to succeed more than anyone...but he plays at the level of his team. If the team rocks, so does he...if the team sucks, so does he. Darnold isn't elevating the team...but with the pocket crashing, I thought at times, Geno did.

So far JS has picked up the All-Injured team of 2025. "Are you old, missed games last year, past your prime...perfect, sign right here"

Yeah, maybe 5 years ago Cupp would have been a splash, and 8 years ago for the new DE...but now it's a desperation move by a fading GM trying to hold on to the last days of his job. Don't go away mad John, just go away

"DK not elite? 2 pro bowls and a 2nd team all pro".

Leo Williams balled out in 2024 and was selected as a mere alternate, If you base elitism on pro bowls and all pro selections
then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[oldhawkfan]

It’s just not built for success. Let’s sign players 31, 32,33 years old. Let’s not address our biggest weakness with IOL and pay the same money for an aging DE. So dumb. This team will NOT be better

 

[Wsumatt1982]

DK not elite? 2 pro bowls and a 2nd team all pro might disagree with that statement. DK didn't just randomly claim he wanted a trade out of no where. JS screwed this team by not being a listener and making adjustments. Make DK happy or trade him for a first...but be smarter than to let DK request a trade and cost the team.

I want Darnold to succeed more than anyone...but he plays at the level of his team. If the team rocks, so does he...if the team sucks, so does he. Darnold isn't elevating the team...but with the pocket crashing, I thought at times, Geno did.

So far JS has picked up the All-Injured team of 2025. "Are you old, missed games last year, past your prime...perfect, sign right here"

Yeah, maybe 5 years ago Cupp would have been a splash, and 8 years ago for the new DE...but now it's a desperation move by a fading GM trying to hold on to the last days of his job. Don't go away mad John, just go away

FA is where you fill holes and take fliers on people. We had money to spend. None of the signings hurt us for the future or prohibited us from signing anyone else. The draft is for building your team. 98% of FA is players who are older or just made a lot of money on a cash strapped team. If you’re looking for Pat Mahomes in FA or insert top player name, you’re never gonna find it.

 

[WestCoastChippewa]

I'm stoked! Rooting for Kupp is going to take a little getting used to. I so despise the Rams and their "punch me in the face" coach.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Go Hawks?

 

[WestCoastChippewa]

So now that we have a different OC, OL coach, QB, and WR there are no longer any valid criticisms or concerns, and anyone that expresses any concerns or criticisms is just a generally miserable person that's just whining.

Cool. That seems very fair and reasonable.

Your point is valid, most complaining and criticism is backwards facing; looking at the past. There are two groups of people; those who dwell on the past, and those who embrace the unknown future with enthusiasm.

 

[bileever]

I'm on record as being optimistic about the moves and believing that Schneider has done a good job so far, but I also understand those fans who aren't as excited by the moves. I can easily see how Sam Darnold, if he ends up playing behind the same O-line we had last year, could be a disaster. It hasn't been proven yet that last year is closer to the real Darnold than the many years before that. I can also understand those fans who think that Cooper Kupp and DeMarcus Lawrence are on the downhill side of their careers.

Let's keep discussing this in a civilized manner and not attack each other for having an opposing view. I actually like having my positions challenged, and I'm always open to changing my mind.

After the Geno trade, I sent some of you a private message, lamenting the trade and convinced that we were heading in the wrong direction. I still think it would have been better to keep Geno, but I'm glad Schneider had a plan with Darnold, and I'm feeling differently about it now.

 

[Seahawker]

 

[cymatica]

DK not elite? 2 pro bowls and a 2nd team all pro might disagree with that statement. DK didn't just randomly claim he wanted a trade out of no where. JS screwed this team by not being a listener and making adjustments. Make DK happy or trade him for a first...but be smarter than to let DK request a trade and cost the team.

I want Darnold to succeed more than anyone...but he plays at the level of his team. If the team rocks, so does he...if the team sucks, so does he. Darnold isn't elevating the team...but with the pocket crashing, I thought at times, Geno did.

So far JS has picked up the All-Injured team of 2025. "Are you old, missed games last year, past your prime...perfect, sign right here"

Yeah, maybe 5 years ago Cupp would have been a splash, and 8 years ago for the new DE...but now it's a desperation move by a fading GM trying to hold on to the last days of his job. Don't go away mad John, just go away

DK was not worth a 1st. His size and speed mask his hands and route running. A 2nd was fair. You don't hand a massive contract to a receiver unless he is elite in all facets, ie run blocking, route running, hands, and attitude. For his size he should have been boxing out DBs and high pointing balls, he was below average at that. He catches with his body and lets the ball come to him.

I should have just looked at your username and realized you're a troll, my bad.

 

[ruffENrowdy]

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That's why change was needed lol. At least we got that! I'm pretty excited

 

[cymatica]

I'm on record as being optimistic about the moves and believing that Schneider has done a good job so far, but I also understand those fans who aren't as excited by the moves. I can easily see how Sam Darnold, if he ends up playing behind the same O-line we had last year, could be a disaster. It hasn't been proven yet that last year is closer to the real Darnold than the many years before that. I can also understand those fans who think that Cooper Kupp and DeMarcus Lawrence are on the downhill side of their careers.

Let's keep discussing this in a civilized manner and not attack each other for having an opposing view. I actually like having my positions challenged, and I'm always open to changing my mind.

After the Geno trade, I sent some of you a private message, lamenting the trade and convinced that we were heading in the wrong direction. I still think it would have been better to keep Geno, but I'm glad Schneider had a plan with Darnold, and I'm feeling differently about it now.

The thing that a lot of people seem to be missing is that Darnold won't be behind the same Oline even if they keep the same players. 1 more year of experience on top of a new coordinator and Oline coach = different Oline play. Grubbs predictable play calling helped opposing d-lines. Kubiak is known for marrying the run and pass and forcing defenses to think and react. The run and pass game benefits from that alone.