Who will be this years cap casualty ?

[CPHawk]

Jamal Adams.

That’s the only right answer. Guy has been meh since showing up in Seattle.

 

[Hawkinaz]

The key thing is, what free agent does Carroll want so bad that he’s willing to shed contracts?

Who? Would Seattle even make a play at any free agents and throw the Brinks truck at them? Who do they like that much to do so?

They may not even like anyone for all we know. Maybe Seattle has learned and doesn’t want to repeat the strategy of “buying” players?

They essentially bought, Adams, and traded a farm for him. They bought Diggs, just last year. I see no reason for Carroll to want to drop either player. He just isn’t that type unless they are locker room cancers.

Carroll wants to redeem himself for giving these guys a lot of money so he wants an opportunity to coach them again. He isn’t going to trade or release them. It would pretty much confirm he made a mistake with them. And he isn’t about to admit his faults.

Who would Seattle pursue that warrants Seattle paying for them? Only name I can think of is Daron Payne. Payne will also command BIG money.

Then you would have money paid to:

Geno (assuming)
DK
Diggs
Adams
Lockett
Nwosu

Seattle would need shed a number of players to fit into the lottery of signing a guy like Payne.

I am expecting Washington will re-sign Payne who will command $20 million AAV

 

[Lagartixa]

Ain't no one eating 21M in dead cap.

It's not so much the $21.33M in dead cap as the fact that the net cap savings would be negative $3.22M. That is, the Seahawks would have less cap space without Adams on the roster in 2023 than with him.

After 2023 is a different story. There would still be $14.22M in dead money if the Seahawks cut him, but they would also get $9.39M in cap savings. Unless Adams has a great 2023 season, I expect Adams to be a "cap casualty" for 2024.

But I don't think the Seahawks will reduce their available cap space just to get rid of Adams before the 2023 season.

 

[FrodosFinger]

Gabe Jackson

 

[suppaball]

Any chance Dissly comes into the conversation ?

You just did that.

 

[Chawker]

The reason I asked, was theys a kid playing for ND thats going to be a all-star, Micheal Mayer TE that might factor into a surprise pick after a trade down move.

Possible or not ?

 

[Jville]

Is this some kind of Dixie Cup thread?

 

[Hawkinaz]

It's not so much the $21.33M in dead cap as the fact that the net cap savings would be negative $3.22M. That is, the Seahawks would have less cap space without Adams on the roster in 2023 than with him.

After 2023 is a different story. There would still be $14.22M in dead money if the Seahawks cut him, but they would also get $9.39M in cap savings. Unless Adams has a great 2023 season, I expect Adams to be a "cap casualty" for 2024.

But I don't think the Seahawks will reduce their available cap space just to get rid of Adams before the 2023 season.

The negative cap hit for Adams is if it is a pre June 1 cut if a post June 1 he is a dead cap hit of $ 7 million with a savings of $11 million.

Diggs is even better of a post June 1 cut with a dead cap hit of $4 million and a cap savings of $14 million. Problem is in both cases you are cutting each player after free agency and the draft giving you limited options of players that you can replace the waived players unless you planned for them to not being on the team. Post June 1 cuts help more for the following year

 

[Sun Tzu]

The negative cap hit for Adams is if it is a pre June 1 cut if a post June 1 he is a dead cap hit of $ 7 million with a savings of $11 million.

Diggs is even better of a post June 1 cut with a dead cap hit of $4 million and a cap savings of $14 million. Problem is in both cases you are cutting each player after free agency and the draft giving you limited options of players that you can replace the waived players unless you planned for them to not being on the team. Post June 1 cuts help more for the following year

Someone with a better understanding of cap and contracts than me please correct this if I'm off.

It is my understanding that Diggs' 2023 salary becomes guaranteed on 2/17/23. If we cut him after 2/17, an additional 13.49 million becomes guaranteed. The dead cap would be 13.49M plus 8.2M (prorated 2023 and 2024 signing bonus). If we do a post June 1, all we accomplish is to push most of that into the next year.

It seems to me that if cutting Diggs (not something I am advocating for) the only feasible option is to cut him before the 2023 salary becomes guaranteed.

 

[Nunya]

Diggs - $10 mil saving
Gabe Jackson - $6.5 mil saving
Disley - $3 mil saving
Woods - $4 mil savings.

Free Agents not signed:
Penny - $5.75 mil
L.J. Collier - $2.7 mil
Artie Burns - $2 mil

 

[onanygivensunday]

It seems to me that if cutting Diggs (not something I am advocating for) the only feasible option is to cut him before the 2023 salary becomes guaranteed.

I agree.

 

[ElvisInBlue]

The reason I asked, was theys a kid playing for ND thats going to be a all-star, Micheal Mayer TE that might factor into a surprise pick after a trade down move.

Possible or not ?

Would you cut Dissly or trade Fant if you drafted Mayer?

I’m unclear on the 5th year option rules, but I don’t think it would result in a cap hit.

Dissly is a Pete guy, whereas Fant will want equal or bigger money to stick around year six +

 

[BASF]

Would you cut Dissly or trade Fant if you drafted Mayer?

I’m unclear on the 5th year option rules, but I don’t think it would result in a cap hit.

Dissly is a Pete guy, whereas Fant will want equal or bigger money to stick around year six +

I would consider drafting Mayer to be irresponsible considering he looks to be a top fifteen pick. It would put a serious strain on the term luxury pick when we have so many talent deficient positions on defense.

 

[BASF]

As far as cutting Diggs post June 1, even if we designate him as post June 1 and let him go earlier so he can sign with another team, we do not have access to that money until June 1. All the best free agents will be long gone by then.

 

[ElvisInBlue]

I would consider drafting Mayer to be irresponsible considering he looks to be a top fifteen pick. It would put a serious strain on the term luxury pick when we have so many talent deficient positions on defense.

The discussions I’ve seen are around pick 20#.

The argument being the remaining defensive options will be fairly equal to what you can get in R2 so snag an offensive BPA who’s slid lower than your Big Board.

TE may seem like a luxury in ‘23, but a solid roster upgrade in ‘24.

 

[AgentDib]

Guys like Bijan Robinson and Michael Mayer are intriguing particularly because the devaluation of their position could lead them to be there a lot later than they "should" be.

It's not so much the $21.33M in dead cap as the fact that the net cap savings would be negative $3.22M. That is, the Seahawks would have less cap space without Adams on the roster in 2023 than with him. After 2023 is a different story. There would still be $14.22M in dead money if the Seahawks cut him, but they would also get $9.39M in cap savings. Unless Adams has a great 2023 season, I expect Adams to be a "cap casualty" for 2024.

Agreed, it is extremely unlikely that Carroll will want to take a step back in 2023 by cutting Adams. However, it does make sense if you look at it from the perspective of 2024 as well, where $0 left in dead money would be a major improvement. The same argument could be made for Diggs and there will be some intriguing safeties in the draft at 20, 37 and 52. I would personally be tempted to release both, RFA Neal, and draft two safeties to compete with Neal, Abrams and Tabor. I can't see the Seahawks doing that, though.

 

[massari]

Adams' body seems to be breaking down and can't be relied on to stay in the lineup. There's also a chance he's got lingering effects from the torn quad tendon:

The most common complications of quadriceps tendon repair include weakness and loss of knee motion. It is also possible to re-rupture the tendon after it has been repaired. In addition, the position of your kneecap may be different after the procedure.

KJ Wright says Jefferson isn't a fit here, and that he'd let Harris go for the cap savings.

Cutting Diggs, Adams, Mone, G.Jackson, Harris and Jefferson opens up about an extra $40m next season.

 

[Lagartixa]

The negative cap hit for Adams is if it is a pre June 1 cut if a post June 1 he is a dead cap hit of $ 7 million with a savings of $11 million.

Diggs is even better of a post June 1 cut with a dead cap hit of $4 million and a cap savings of $14 million. Problem is in both cases you are cutting each player after free agency and the draft giving you limited options of players that you can replace the waived players unless you planned for them to not being on the team. Post June 1 cuts help more for the following year

The apparent savings you're seeing by specifying "post-June 1" on overthecap.com is not real savings. Part of the "dead money" (specifically, the 2023 guarantees) would go on the 2023 cap and then there'd still be more (the remaining guaranteed money) in 2024. So a post-June 1 cut can reduce the cap charge for a cut player in the first season after the cut, but makes it worse for the cutting team in the following year.

In the specific example of Adams, there is $21.33M in prorated bonus left on his contract. Yes, there would be a charge of just $7.11M of that on the 2023 cap if he were cut after June 1, but before the 2023 season, but then there would be an additional $14.22M on the 2024 cap, his second season not playing for the team and still costing a lot of cap space. In fact, he'd cost twice as much cap space in 2024 as in 2023.

 

[massari]

but before the 2023 season, but then there would be an additional $14.22M on the 2024 cap, his second season not playing for the team and still costing a lot of cap space. In fact, he'd cost twice as much cap space in 2024 as in 2023.

Cutting Adams post June 1 opens up $8.44m in cap space for 2023, and about $10m for 2024.....

 

[Mick063]

Seahawks love to run a three tight end set, but the primary reason for that is that they are playing to a team strength. Maximizing their offensive roster. Fant, Parkinson, and Disley are about as position deep as there is in the league. Having said that the "heavy set" ideology should probably be pursued with a minimum of one of the tight ends on a rookie deal. I think Parkinson will be given the new contract next year, at the expense of Disley this year, because he really helps the run game and appears to be more versatile. I think Disley is the odd man out. I like Disley on the Seahawk roster a lot, but I also think he is good enough, that if he hooks up with the right team, he will contribute enough valuable play to give Seattle a decent compensatory pick. Out of the Seahawk tight ends, Disley has also been the most injury plagued. Not his fault, but "availability" is a factor that NFL execs look at. Regardless, I hold Disley in high regard and believe he could really shine elsewhere to the point that people would likely second guess why Seattle moved on. It entirely depends on which team he would potentially play for.

I just have a feeling he may be the odd man out. It is just his turn in the four-year rotation/turnover. Alternatively, you would not see a lot of complaint from me if they resigned him, but if I were Fant or Parkinson, I would probably be concerned about being resigned in the future. The long-term vision for the tight end position will be better revealed if a tight end is (or is not) taken in the draft this year. Even if taken late.

With respect to Adams, I think that this is his last contract in Seattle, and it is arguable that he may not even last the entire life of the current contract. Even if he stays healthy and plays like a possessed madman. I think his days are numbered.