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For the life of me I cannot understand the hoopla around our offense.

We do not have a short passing game. Our short passing game is our running game.

We are not the Packers, Patriots, Saints or Broncos who have their short passing game as their bread and butter and use the run as a change of pace. They have also had coach/QB combinations that have been together for a long time (or have Peyton Manning) and have had time to develop that complexity. We are in our second season with Russell Wilson.

Having said that, we will still never be any of the above teams, not while Pete Carroll is around. He wants efficiency and a lack of turnovers with his QB - not to lean on him unless it is absolutely necessary. In Pete's mind, if we could win without throwing a pass - he would do it.

Why did we pick Christine Michael this year? Because RB is our most important position. We must run the ball - first and foremost.

Moreover, you simply can't have it both ways. No team ever has. You would have different resources and personnel in your offensive line, receiving corps, RBs etc. You would coach them differently and have different emphasis on coaching. We are a simple passing offense because of this. When you are only going to attempt 25 passes - you can't be cute. Think of the Steelers when they beat us in the Super Bowl - you think Rothlisberger was running a complex passing offense? How about the Ravens this past year? Neither were. Think of how many times you have also heard Packer fans long to be able to run the ball the close out games. How about the Saints today?

Furthermore, we are a second half team because we need to pound the other defense into submission before they make mistakes - which we did again today. How did we win today - by running the ball out. The way I LOVE to do it.

In the end, I am not saying you can't criticize but people have to understand that the way we won today is exactly how we are going win games. Our lack of a developed passing game is our Achilles heel like the inability to run is for other teams. You can't have it both ways.
 

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The hoopla around our offense?

It's because we're playing close games with inferior teams.
 

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SonicHawk":34ou6uyk said:
The hoopla around our offense?

It's because we're playing close games with inferior teams.
the offense wasn't the reason the game was close. Botched FG doesn't happen we win 23-6
 

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davidonmi":3e0jkcam said:
SonicHawk":3e0jkcam said:
The hoopla around our offense?

It's because we're playing close games with inferior teams.
the offense wasn't the reason the game was close. Botched FG doesn't happen we win 23-6

That's a hell of an assumption.
 

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You're right, nothing's wrong. Everything is going perfectly. PC had this mapped out. Hell, he even had us almost losing the Texans game if it wasn't for a stupid throw by Schaub.
 

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SonicHawk":23dx2tza said:
davidonmi":23dx2tza said:
SonicHawk":23dx2tza said:
The hoopla around our offense?

It's because we're playing close games with inferior teams.
the offense wasn't the reason the game was close. Botched FG doesn't happen we win 23-6

That's a hell of an assumption.

No, it isn't. The messed up FG caused a 10-point swing. Ignoring butterfly effect and all that, the score would've been 23-6 if it didn't happen.
 

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SonicHawk":1s2aa5dd said:
davidonmi":1s2aa5dd said:
SonicHawk":1s2aa5dd said:
The hoopla around our offense?

It's because we're playing close games with inferior teams.
the offense wasn't the reason the game was close. Botched FG doesn't happen we win 23-6

That's a hell of an assumption.
really? cause I'm likely being generous to the titans. You think the game would've been any closer with Ryan Fitzpatrick playing from behind
 

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DavidSeven":1gknll3z said:
SonicHawk":1gknll3z said:
davidonmi":1gknll3z said:
SonicHawk":1gknll3z said:
The hoopla around our offense?

It's because we're playing close games with inferior teams.
the offense wasn't the reason the game was close. Botched FG doesn't happen we win 23-6

That's a hell of an assumption.

No, it isn't. The messed up FG caused a 10-point swing. Ignoring butterfly effect and all that, the score would've been 23-6 if it didn't happen.

Sure is easy to ignore things that matter when trying to prove a point.

What if Marshawn's fumble isn't recovered by RW? What if Fitzpatrick doesn't make a terrible overthrow to a wide open receiver? What if Chris Johnson wasn't such a pathetic excuse for a RB?
 

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I don't expect Packers, Saints, or Broncos. You do have to be able to pass effectively to win consistently in the NFL though. I think it's reasonable to expect a little rythm now and then instead of everything being off of a Russell magic scrambling fest. And I think Pete expects that also.
 

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davidonmi":bn2r6rq4 said:
SonicHawk":bn2r6rq4 said:
The hoopla around our offense?

It's because we're playing close games with inferior teams.
the offense wasn't the reason the game was close. Botched FG doesn't happen we win 23-6

So we don't just have to worry about the offense. Now we worry about ST.

That's twice in two weeks, which constitutes a problem. It literally cost us the game last week.
 

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hawk45":1037p73a said:
I don't expect Packers, Saints, or Broncos. You do have to be able to pass effectively to win consistently in the NFL though. I think it's reasonable to expect a little rythm now and then instead of everything being off of a Russell magic scrambling fest. And I think Pete expects that also.
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Tech Worlds":1037p73a said:
RB is not our most important position.

It's the qb and everyone knows it.
And this
 
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hawk45":2fiuzd3w said:
I don't expect Packers, Saints, or Broncos. You do have to be able to pass effectively to win consistently in the NFL though. I think it's reasonable to expect a little rythm now and then instead of everything being off of a Russell magic scrambling fest. And I think Pete expects that also.

I think a lack of offensive line talent pass blocking has the most to do with our inability to pass block. It is basically that simple. Our starting offensive line right now are all more adept run blockers than pass blockers save Unger, who is good at both.

In other words, because of our scheme, our offensive priority in our back ups is to get players that can run block well rather than guys who could do both poorly.
 
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Tech Worlds":isjgd13a said:
RB is not our most important position.

It's the qb and everyone knows it.

Not based on our scheme. We have definitely won more games running than passing.
 

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We have the best point differential in the NFC and are tied for the best record.
 

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TDOTSEAHAWK":2ib5op5p said:
Tech Worlds":2ib5op5p said:
RB is not our most important position.

It's the qb and everyone knows it.

Not based on our scheme. We have definitely won more games running than passing.

We are not a super bowl contender without Wilson.

Without lynch we can.
 
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Tech Worlds":21l3zike said:
TDOTSEAHAWK":21l3zike said:
Tech Worlds":21l3zike said:
RB is not our most important position.

It's the qb and everyone knows it.

Not based on our scheme. We have definitely won more games running than passing.

We are not a super bowl contender without Wilson.

Without lynch we can.

I would argue that we would be good teams without either but would need both for a Super Bowl run. With a running game to support Russell - how well does he do in our system? I think Lynch is underrated, even by us. He does things that few RBs in the league can do.
 

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Great post.

You want a short passing game and more protection? Draft a 6'4" QB and bring back Holmgren...within a few years there will be nobody bitching about that anymore.

This team is built to run well...not dink and dunk passes. It aint your sexuality you cant have it both ways. This team is built to run and throw over top. Add in Wilson and Pete's preference for not taking chances, and voila, dot.net griping.
 

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I call BS...see offense last half of 2012

I'm not expecting us to dink and dunk. Some blitz beaters should be expected though and other short routes to help relieve the pressure of a horrible Oline. I must say though, I was happy we threw a lot of short routes today. Wish we could've mixed it up a little bit though.
 
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