Ware

[PrepntheSep]

After watching the last 2 seasons over again on NFL Rewind it occurred to me that while our fullback position isn't utilized as much as I once thought, it is a very important position. We relied on Mike Rob for the majority of short yard conversions and a large amount of play action pass conversions. My question is can Ware become a weapon in these situations. He is a much better player with the ball in his hands and is a nasty short yardage runner. His blocking is the big concern and that's why I think we keep Robinson. Is our roster flexible enough to keep Ware and Robinson? After hearing Pete and John speak after the draft I've noticed they seem to reiterate how tough and physical Ware is. I'm excited to see him come training camp, could he be another late round guy that contributes early for our team?

 

[Basis4day]

After watching the last 2 seasons over again on NFL Rewind it occurred to me that while our fullback position isn't utilized as much as I once thought, it is a very important position. We relied on Mike Rob for the majority of short yard conversions and a large amount of play action pass conversions. My question is can Ware become a weapon in these situations. He is a much better player with the ball in his hands and is a nasty short yardage runner. His blocking is the big concern and that's why I think we keep Robinson. Is our roster flexible enough to keep Ware and Robinson? After hearing Pete and John speak after the draft I've noticed they seem to reiterate how tough and physical Ware is. I'm excited to see him come training camp, could he be another late round guy that contributes early for our team?

It should be. We started last year with 5 backs. Would not be shocked at all if that was the case again this year. Is there enough room for him to contribute? That remains to be seen, especially when they go empty backfield and get an opponent to show Nickel CB, then we option to a Harvin run.

:th2thumbs:

 

[nanomoz]

I don't see Ware being kept at the expense of Robinson or Turbin. So, the Hawks would have to go with five running backs. Which they did, initially, last season, before cutting Lumpkin.

I kind of expect to see all five (Lynch, Michael, Turbin, Robinson, and Ware) on the final roster.

 

[Basis4day]

Out of curiosity. Did it ever leak what grade the FO gave Ware in the draft?

 

[Stoned Cold]

I think Ware will be a healthy scratch unless Robinson has injury concerns. Robinson is a great special teamer, but he plays less than 33% of the offensive plays. This is probably Ware's redshirt season.

 

[PrepntheSep]

Will we try to stash him on the practice squad or will we have him on the 53 man roster. I think Ware has special teams stud written all over him as well. Right now I'm not sure he has the size to be and every down fullback, plus Mike Rob is our captain and is an integral part of our team. Interesting story come training camp for sure

 

[DavidSeven]

If you go through last year's NFL depth charts, you'll notice that most teams carried five backs. Seattle ran the ball more than anyone last year, and that doesn't really look to change in 2013. Seems they would be completely justified in carrying five backs going forward. They need depth in the backfield more than most teams given their offensive identity.

Personally, I think Ware is likely competing with players at other positions for a roster spot. A lot of it might come down to ST potential.

 

[Jville]

Michael Robinson was in on 32% of the offensive snaps in 2012. But, as valuable as he was on offense, he saw a lot of action on special teams with 299 snaps (3rd best). So that is what Spencer Ware challenging. There is certainly room on a run 1st roster for a 5th back.

Pete Carroll used the term "hammer" when talking about Spencer Ware. That term hammer is a term Carroll has also used enthusiastically in describing former RB and now LB Allen Bradford.

So ..... in my eyes, Carroll is revisiting that search for a "hammer" that can contribute at both RB and on Special Teams.

So yes, they want a hammer, a thumper, a heater, a hitter that can project their style and set their tone thru delivering decisive body blows. And, they want to add it this year. IMO

 

[jlwaters1]

I think we'll go with 5 RB's

If you listened to the town hall, PC specifically identified Ware-- A question was asked about the Rb's and how Turbin and Michael will help keep Lynch fresh and PC said "don't forget about Ware." He said that he was the most physical running back in the draft.

I think the options would be: (in terms of balancing the roster to keep 5 RBs)

5 RB's, 2-QB, 3-TE's, 6-WR, 9-OL

or

5 RB's, 2-QB, 3- TE, 5-WR, 10- OL

I'd prefer going with 9-Offensive linemen and stashing a few on the practice squad and still have 6 WR's.

Then again we could just go with 5 WR's and stash 1-2 prospects on the Practice Squad and have a full 10 offensive linemen. Usually in games they only dress 7 offensive linemen so going with 9 is reasonable.

 

[Happypuppy]

Ware will be a special teams player this year unless he lights it up. Mike Rob is too good at what he does for Lynch, find holes and plow threw them. It is interesting to look at tape and see how much the 2 are in sync. They move even in unison if you watch there foot work.

 

[CamanoIslandJQ]

When the Seahawks score 50+ on teams, they will need a guy to take over RB to avoid the starters getting hurt. Ware looks like a RB/FB hybrid to me, he could be a grinder that finishes games and gains valuable experience while doing so.

 

[bobk3333]

I am guessing that Ware is a better runner than Robinson. His blocking in college was excellent but whether it is good enough for a Seahawk team with championship aspirations is an open question. If his blocking ability is at least close to Robinson's, Pete Carroll would have no qualms cutting Robinson. Remember, one of Carroll's guiding principles is "Always compete," and he is very open to new or younger players winning positions from veterans. Michael Robinson will not be excused from competeting just because he is a well-liked veteran and has been a valuable team member in the past.

In this salary-cap world, there isn't much room for emotion or loyalty. We, as fans, can be as sentimental as we want -- in fact, being emotional and illogical is part of our job description -- but the Seahawks front office must be cold and calculating in their decision making.

With the salary cap, value per dollar per player must be maximized, but the calculation of value is not straightforward.

Robinson's age (30), salary ($2.5 million this season) and contract situation (unrestricted free agent after this season) will play into the decision.

Robinson's experience and leadership contribute to his value, but the leadership might have also hurt him. Last year, right about this time, the Hawks were penalized a couple OTA sessions and a workout because the NFL said they were scrimmaging too hard. Someone had reported them to the NFL. Pete Carroll was not amused, especially after his recent experience with rules infractions at USC. The culprit who turned them in was almost surely Michael Robinson, the Seahawk player rep who was a great advocate of controlling off-season workouts and practices so that players had time to develop other careers for after their NFL days were over. If it was him, you have to respect him for treating his duties as player rep seriously, but you'd think it would be better to go to Carroll to discuss it privately first.

I have no idea what factors will play into the Seahawk decision. Like most fans, I like Michael Robinson and feel a sense of loyalty. I would love to see him back, but I hope the front office does their job, looks at the numbers and makes a cold decision if necessary. Certainly, when it comes down to it and if Ware is capable, the Seahawks should, probably towards the end of pre-season,renegotiate Robinson's salary for 2013 and tack on one or two unguaranteed years. If an organization is not capable of operating this way, they cannot have a good team for very long.

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[Cartire]

I think we'll go with 5 RB's

If you listened to the town hall, PC specifically identified Ware-- A question was asked about the Rb's and how Turbin and Michael will help keep Lynch fresh and PC said "don't forget about Ware." He said that he was the most physical running back in the draft.

I think the options would be: (in terms of balancing the roster to keep 5 RBs)

5 RB's, 2-QB, 3-TE's, 6-WR, 9-OL

or

5 RB's, 2-QB, 3- TE, 5-WR, 10- OL

I'd prefer going with 9-Offensive linemen and stashing a few on the practice squad and still have 6 WR's.

Then again we could just go with 5 WR's and stash 1-2 prospects on the Practice Squad and have a full 10 offensive linemen. Usually in games they only dress 7 offensive linemen so going with 9 is reasonable.

I can garuntee you we will have at least 6 active WR's. I defiently see only 2 qb's with johnson on PS. So it becomes 10 lineman vs 5 rb. I highly doubt they cut mike rob. Besides his football skill and intellect, he is a proven captain on this team that would cause more harm gone. so i see only 9 active linemen, with a few stashed on PS.

 

[Bigpumpkin]

Someone please refresh my memory. How many "Active" players can they play each Sunday out of the 53?

 

[Seafan]

I can see 5 WRs unless the #6 guy emerges as a return specialist. Two QBs is all that is needed. Plenty of room to carry 5 RBs.

 

[sc85sis]

I am guessing that Ware is a better runner than Robinson. His blocking in college was excellent but whether it is good enough for a Seahawk team with championship aspirations is an open question. If his blocking ability is at least close to Robinson's, Pete Carroll would have no qualms cutting Robinson. Remember, one of Carroll's guiding principles is "Always compete," and he is very open to new or younger players winning positions from veterans. Michael Robinson will not be excused from competeting just because he is a well-liked veteran and has been a valuable team member in the past.

In this salary-cap world, there isn't much room for emotion or loyalty. We, as fans, can be as sentimental as we want -- in fact, being emotional and illogical is part of our job description -- but the Seahawks front office must be cold and calculating in their decision making.

With the salary cap, value per dollar per player must be maximized, but the calculation of value is not straightforward.

Robinson's age (30), salary ($2.5 million this season) and contract situation (unrestricted free agent after this season) will play into the decision.

Robinson's experience and leadership contribute to his value, but the leadership might have also hurt him. Last year, right about this time, the Hawks were penalized a couple OTA sessions and a workout because the NFL said they were scrimmaging too hard. Someone had reported them to the NFL. Pete Carroll was not amused, especially after his recent experience with rules infractions at USC. The culprit who turned them in was almost surely Michael Robinson, the Seahawk player rep who was a great advocate of controlling off-season workouts and practices so that players had time to develop other careers for after their NFL days were over. If it was him, you have to respect him for treating his duties as player rep seriously, but you'd think it would be better to go to Carroll to discuss it privately first.

I have no idea what factors will play into the Seahawk decision. Like most fans, I like Michael Robinson and feel a sense of loyalty. I would love to see him back, but I hope the front office does their job, looks at the numbers and makes a cold decision if necessary. Certainly, when it comes down to it and if Ware is capable, the Seahawks should, probably towards the end of pre-season,renegotiate Robinson's salary for 2013 and tack on one or two unguaranteed years. If an organization is not capable of operating this way, they cannot have a good team for very long.

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There's a fair amount of conjecture posted as near fact in this.

 

[Jville]

:hmmmm: Going into the regular season with only 9 offensive linemen is risky with the need to carry development players. The draft and off season saw a premium placed on offensive linemen. Teams are seeking more atheletic linemen and the supply is limited. Conversion projects are becoming more common.

I don't see a similar supply constaint with wide receivers. There are plenty of development prospects looking for the right opportunity.

 

[mrdaija]

I saw an interview with Mike Rob and Beast last season that emphasized their chemistry on and off the field. Beast described MR as "my eyes out there". Unless Ware can replicate that (doubtful) or brings something to the table better than that chemistry, I don't see MR going anywhere any time soon.

I do see Ware potentially being tutored by MR, and that can only be a good thing.

 

[sutz]

Someone please refresh my memory. How many "Active" players can they play each Sunday out of the 53?

I believe it is 45.

 

[shiva1008]

Pete Carroll likes to use players' unique abilities so I would expect to see him get Ware in there for some snaps in the run game, to help wear down and intimidate the opposing defense. I think that, in the same way Percy Harvin can have a lot of effectiveness in limited snaps, they can get more out of their players if they optimize the overall impact per snap per player by rotating in players who excel in one area and create matchup problems -- even if they're not the complete player the way that say, Clemons is at DE or Robinson at FB.