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Uncle Si":1w91axwi said:New England is a state? What's the capital?
NE
Uncle Si":1w91axwi said:New England is a state? What's the capital?
Uncle Si":313nnpll said:My disagreement is not in that players should not be considered reflective of the city, but how the fans only use that as a bat to hit them with.
I've seen some fairly detestable comments about Sherman in particular on this board with barely an acknowledgement of all the tremendous things he does for the city and its people.
If we are going to harangue him to that degree over yelling at teammates or media members about football but ignore his actions as a citizen then it's simply disingenuous to say he represents the city.
Clever :lol:Seymour":nxn7euqg said:Uncle Si":nxn7euqg said:New England is a state? What's the capital?
NE
Sgt. Largent":1g9ncklw said:I am perfectly able to separate and compartmentalize Richard Sherman the football player, and Richard Sherman the person.
Dude's an awesome person off the field, and an inspiration to everyone coming from where he came from, going to Stanford and achieving his dream in the NFL.
That doesn't absolve him from being a good teammate. No one here criticizing Richard isn't aware of who he is, or all the great things he does off the field.
Uncle Si":gggezojs said:Sgt. Largent":gggezojs said:I am perfectly able to separate and compartmentalize Richard Sherman the football player, and Richard Sherman the person.
Dude's an awesome person off the field, and an inspiration to everyone coming from where he came from, going to Stanford and achieving his dream in the NFL.
That doesn't absolve him from being a good teammate. No one here criticizing Richard isn't aware of who he is, or all the great things he does off the field.
What is happening in this thread then? Alot of people are. That is what you are doing by suggesting his antics on the field are somehow reflective of the City of Seattle.
I've also read some pretty derogatory, personal (selfish, spoiled, "thug") comments made about the man based on him as a player, not a citizen. If you "separate" or "compartmentalize" those types of comments about a player based on his life as a football player I'd say you do not see him as reflective of the City.
Apples and oranges. not saying you do. But that was the basis of this whole thread.
Yep.....Players that have no heart and just don't give a shit.Sgt. Largent":1h7dosdz said:sondevil89":1h7dosdz said:"Always Compete" that's the Seahawks' mantra. If you have been in serious competition you will understand their frustration.
Give me that all day over players who are joking around on the sidelines while they are getting their asses kicked.
NE's playing in their 7th SB in 15 years, are they not always competing? Cause I don't EVER see their players screaming at coaches or being distractions.
This is a flimsy excuse for some of our players acting selfishly and being distractions. You can have both, be competitive, focused and not put yourself over team with tantrums and selfish nonsense.
If'n they was Patriots, Packers or Cowboys you wouldSiouxhawk":2ve9ntce said:Put it this way, NFL players are like transient employees of a business in the entertainment industry. The business owns property, pays taxes and employs other people who work in and call that city home, but the highly-paid transient entertainment workers usually don't have those same attachments. It would be like promoter hosting a major rock band for 10 to 12 shows in a 21 to 23 week period of time in one city. You wouldn't hold members of that rock band to the standard of being ambassadors of your city, would you?
Sgt. Largent":1p5nshmx said:Uncle Si":1p5nshmx said:The difference here is not the players, but the way the coach handles hit.
Right, they get traded to Cleveland or benched. Pete makes excuses and enables his players, and says it's just cause they love to compete so damn much!
I don't know what the answer is, I just know Pete has to get a handle on this issue. Whatever that means.
idle Eric":nnv972ex said:Uncle Si":nnv972ex said:kobebryant":nnv972ex said:As far as how they represent the city:
https://www.richardsherman25.com/pages/foundation
http://thebennettfoundation.org/
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... ask-force/
That's working for the city (also mandatory for NFL players). They do a great job.
But aren't these the same three players we are so disappointed in because of how they represent the city as Seahawks with all their mean yelling>
Does no one see the hypocrisy here?
I do.
OrganiZation with a Zidle Eric":1vsahk6n said:The Organisation/franchise and the NFL don't see it any other way. They also don't see it as representing a community, city or area. That's why "franchises" move. The point is it's ok for the them to think that way but surely MOST fans see it very differently still !
scutterhawk":xm0gv8h2 said:OrganiZation with a Zidle Eric":xm0gv8h2 said:The Organisation/franchise and the NFL don't see it any other way. They also don't see it as representing a community, city or area. That's why "franchises" move. The point is it's ok for the them to think that way but surely MOST fans see it very differently still !
Sgt. Largent":1db216uj said:Dave Boling wrote about this very subject Wednesday, as compared to how the Patriot's with seemingly less roster talent have sustained their high level of play, while we've taken a couple steps back since SB 49.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/sp ... 01719.html
The most damning sentence for me is this one;
Coach Bill Belichick will not allow complacency, divisiveness, inconsistency or predictability, and he benefits from handing the ball to incomparable quarterback Tom Brady.
Pete does allow divisiveness, and on the field we've been very inconsistent and predictable scheme and playcalling wise.
Lastly complacency? Certainly an argument could be made that some of the players and maybe even the coaches have become complacent now that they got paid and think they don't have to give full effort each and every snap/game.
Sgt. Largent":22a8z1ut said:Uncle Si":22a8z1ut said:Sgt. Largent":22a8z1ut said:I am perfectly able to separate and compartmentalize Richard Sherman the football player, and Richard Sherman the person.
Dude's an awesome person off the field, and an inspiration to everyone coming from where he came from, going to Stanford and achieving his dream in the NFL.
That doesn't absolve him from being a good teammate. No one here criticizing Richard isn't aware of who he is, or all the great things he does off the field.
What is happening in this thread then? Alot of people are. That is what you are doing by suggesting his antics on the field are somehow reflective of the City of Seattle.
I've also read some pretty derogatory, personal (selfish, spoiled, "thug") comments made about the man based on him as a player, not a citizen. If you "separate" or "compartmentalize" those types of comments about a player based on his life as a football player I'd say you do not see him as reflective of the City.
Apples and oranges. not saying you do. But that was the basis of this whole thread.
It's true, I can only speak for myself............but from watching and listening to a lot of national sports, I'd say I'm in the vast minority.
Most people around the country see Sherman as a petulant loud mouth that needs to just shut up already.
Obviously this is Seattle, we tend to give our own players a little longer leash if they continue to play well and win. So yes I disagree with the OP, I don't think just throwing tantrums on the sideline affects the love for Richard here. But everywhere else? Yes.
idle Eric":204mgos8 said:Thank you. I'm sure most of you have English far superior to mine but thank you.
themunn":ix88h3fg said:Sgt. Largent":ix88h3fg said:Dave Boling wrote about this very subject Wednesday, as compared to how the Patriot's with seemingly less roster talent have sustained their high level of play, while we've taken a couple steps back since SB 49.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/sp ... 01719.html
The most damning sentence for me is this one;
Coach Bill Belichick will not allow complacency, divisiveness, inconsistency or predictability, and he benefits from handing the ball to incomparable quarterback Tom Brady.
Pete does allow divisiveness, and on the field we've been very inconsistent and predictable scheme and playcalling wise.
Lastly complacency? Certainly an argument could be made that some of the players and maybe even the coaches have become complacent now that they got paid and think they don't have to give full effort each and every snap/game.
Their seemingly high level of play comes from playing a murderer's row of quarterbacks including the likes of:
Brock Osweiler
Matt Moore
Trevor Siemian
Jared Goff
Charlie Whitehurst
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Colin Kaepernick
Landry Jones
And we're a team that's battled through injuries all season.
Sgt. Largent":2invcdwm said:The Pat's are perennially great because they have a no nonsense coach that simply doesn't allow distractions, and if there is one, it's over by morning.