This sucks for Holmgren!

[SPOHAWK]

Mike really started the renaissance of the Hawks...we started believing then this SUCKS!

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Staff edit:
For those that don’t want to click a link to find out what the OP is talking about.

MH didn’t make the HOF cut once again.
One of only 7 coaches to take 2 different teams to the Super Bowl.
Many other achievements as well.

 

[kidhawk]

Mike really started the renaissance of the Hawks...we started believing then this SUCKS!

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Wasn’t a shot of him getting votes away from Bellichick

 

[Hollandhawk]

It’s complete horseshit really. There is no justification for this. Bill Cowher is in and all he has is 1 fake Super Bowl trophy. And look at Holmgren’s coaching tree! The HOF can’t be taken serious when shit like this exists.

 

[RiverDog]

It’s complete horseshit really. There no justification for this. Bill Cowher is in and all he has is 1 fake Super Bowl trophy. And look at Holmgren’s coaching tree! The HOF can’t be taken serious when shit like this exists.

Yeah, Cowher should never have gotten in. It's the worst case of blatant bias I've seen in any HOF, MVP, or other award that's voted on by so-called experts.

But two wrongs don't make a right. Holmgren's resume is pretty skimpy. Lots of coaches with more wins and higher winning percentages. Tom Coughlin has two Lombardis. Mike Shanahan has 3 (1 as an assistant). Both those guys have more wins than the Walrus and they're not in, either.

There is a case to be made for Holmgren's admission, which is why he was nominated. He took two different teams to Super Bowls, and there's not many coaches who have done that. But it is by no means a slam dunk as some are indicating. Take a look at his record compared to his peers and you'll see why:

Coaches, Records, and Coaching Totals | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Coaches, Records, and Coaching Totals

www.pro-football-reference.com

 

[glenwo2]

Yeah, Cowher should never have gotten in. It's the worst case of blatant bias I've seen in any HOF, MVP, or other award that's voted on by so-called experts.

But two wrongs don't make a right. Holmgren's resume is pretty skimpy. Lots of coaches with more wins and higher winning percentages. Tom Coughlin has two Lombardis. Mike Shanahan has 3 (1 as an assistant). Both those guys have more wins than the Walrus and they're not in, either.

There is a case to be made for Holmgren's admission, which is why he was nominated. He took two different teams to Super Bowls, and there's not many coaches who have done that. But it is by no means a slam dunk as some are indicating. Take a look at his record compared to his peers and you'll see why:

Coaches, Records, and Coaching Totals | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Coaches, Records, and Coaching Totals

www.pro-football-reference.com

So what you're saying is the NFL HOF makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

HolmGRUM
Holgrum
HasselBACK
Tyler Lockette
waRshington

 

[Hawknight]

So what you're saying is the NFL HOF makes absolutely zero sense.

It's like winning an Oscar in Hollywood..doesn't mean squat...

 

[RiverDog]

So what you're saying is the NFL HOF makes absolutely zero sense.

No, that's not what I am saying. IMO roughly 95+% of the members in it deserve to be there. But there are exceptions, with Cowhler being one of them, Drew Pearson being another. And there are occasional oversights where a deserving candidate doesn't get the vote. It happens when human beings are looking at sometimes subjective criteria. I think one could justify voting Holmgren to the HOF, but there are sensible arguments against his candidacy, too.

I'm not big into individual awards and honors, so I don't my briefs in a wad when one of my favorite team's coaches or players doesn't get admitted to the HOF. When Kenny Easley was admitted, there were good arguments against him, mainly that his career was awfully short, just 7 years. But he made it.

 

[Hawkstorian]

I long ago stopped caring at all about who got into any hall in any sport. It is the most meaningless and subjective 'honor' that people spend way too much time worrying about.

 

[AROS]

I still feel the Hall of Fame is the most prestigious honor a player or coach or owner can ever receive. I'm sure if you ask any living member with a gold jacket what it means to them, they would say - outside of family and friends - it means everything to them in terms of lifetime achievement.

I look forward to seeing the LOB members make it in one day, not to mention all the other deserving Seahawks who have either retired or yet to finish their careers.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

He will eventually but BB deserves it over him

 

[ivotuk]

Trophies are BS. Albert Einstein was the greatest Physicist ever. He dropped 3 Nobel worthy papers in one year, but only ever got 1 Nobel, for a paper on Quantum Physics.

What's the most famous and consequential equation in the world? You know it. E=MC2. Everybody knows it, it led to Nuclear Power, and unfortunately, Nuclear Bombs. Yet zero Nobels.\

However, people proving stuff that came out of Einstein's papers have won Nobels.

But, the Nobel doesn't matter. Why? Because one day, Albert Nobel was reading the newspaper, and it said "Nobel, the Merchant of Death is dead." But they had mistakenly posted that when his brother died.

Albert Nobel was called the Merchant of Death because he invented and sold dynamite, which was used in wars. Nobel invented a way to handle Nitroglycerin without it blowing up in your face, and got filthy rich off of it.

Now scientist only dream is to get one of his prizes.

Anyway, rant over. But it only goes to prove that the trophy award process is extremely biased.

Hall of Fame voters will never approve Holmgren because he badmouthed the Refs, and Paul Tagliabue through the letter recommending Mike be fined for it in the trash.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

It’s complete horseshit really. There is no justification for this. Bill Cowher is in and all he has is 1 fake Super Bowl trophy. And look at Holmgren’s coaching tree! The HOF can’t be taken serious when shit like this exists.

But it does get views and clicks and people all up in their feels - and that is all that matters

 

[Atradees]

Once again Holmgren is victimized. It just goes on and on and on. You people need to give it up. He lost. We lost. Steelers were worlds better. Cowher took his foot off the gas. Do you want to be known as the city of victims? It doesn't change anything. Mike Holmgren did not win any superbowls with the Seahawks. I am accountant I would have won a superbowl with Favre. My cat would have won a superbowl with Favre.

 

[RiverDog]

I still feel the Hall of Fame is the most prestigious honor a player or coach or owner can ever receive. I'm sure if you ask any living member with a gold jacket what it means to them, they would say - outside of family and friends - it means everything to them in terms of lifetime achievement.

I look forward to seeing the LOB members make it in one day, not to mention all the other deserving Seahawks who have either retired or yet to finish their careers.

I think this is accurate. I don't know a lot of professional football players, but I'll bet that the majority of them have a huge amount of respect for gold jacket wearers and yearn to be included in that club someday. It may not mean much to us as fans, but I'll bet it means everything to the players and coaches.

Regarding the LOB, the only slam dunk that I see is Bobby Wagner. Earl probably makes it if they don't hold some of his off-field issues against him. Kam was never named 1st team All Pro and appeared in the Pro Bowl just 4 times. Beast has an uphill battle, never led the league in rushing, a lot of his peers ahead of him on the all-time rushing list, ie Adrian Peterson, Shady McCoy, Stephen Jackson, et al.

Both Pete and Russell were borderline a few years ago and needed something extra on their resumes, a league or SB MVP for Russell and another Lombardi for Pete, but both have recently blown whatever chance they may have had.

 

[OneLofaTatupu]

Once again Holmgren is victimized. It just goes on and on and on. You people need to give it up. He lost. We lost. Steelers were worlds better. Cowher took his foot off the gas. Do you want to be known as the city of victims? It doesn't change anything. Mike Holmgren did not win any superbowls with the Seahawks. I am accountant I would have won a superbowl with Favre. My cat would have won a superbowl with Favre.

That’s quite the cat

 

[Frank12]

I believe the only first ballot hall of famer the seahawks have is Walter Jones... Right?... I can't remember any other.. he'll get in next year it's just the bias of South Alaska...

 

[Hollandhawk]

I believe the only first ballot hall of famer the seahawks have is Walter Jones... Right?... I can't remember any other.. he'll get in next year it's just the bias of South Alaska...

Bro...Largent..

 

[Frank12]

Bro...Largent..

You are correct.. I wasn't a seahawks fan in that era, so I forget him sometimes..

 

[Cyrus12]

If Cower is in so should Mike. Simple. Cower won a scripted super bowl.