This is how it is...

[LTH]

Secondly the anything can happen statement was actually a quote from Holmgren referring to the possibilities if a team can make the playoffs...It's a new season...

My bad, I thought we had our sights set higher than just making the playoffs.

Carry on.

I guess I dont look at things the same way you do... I dont see a realistic way to tell if a team is good enough to make the SB until the playoffs ... I see the season as a progression of learning, growing and a progression of momentum... As of this point yeah there is cause for optimism being the team is 5-2 but we dont know whats going to happen in the future. History tells us that typically Carroll's teams get better as the season progresses...So the goal is always to make the SB for every team.

LTH

 

[SoulfishHawk]

There is a lot to be said for momentum going in to the playoffs. Many teams over the years were average mid-season and get real hot going in. It does matter.

 

[LTH]

There is a lot to be said for momentum going in to the playoffs. Many teams over the years were average mid-season and get real hot going in. It does matter.

I totally agree with that the Seahawks in the past are a perfect example of this

LTH

 

[SoulfishHawk]

See Philly a couple years back.....
Wentz goes out, people said their Super Bowl chances were done. They won the Super Bowl, got very hot at the right time and kept it rolling in the playoffs.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Secondly the anything can happen statement was actually a quote from Holmgren referring to the possibilities if a team can make the playoffs...It's a new season...

My bad, I thought we had our sights set higher than just making the playoffs.

Carry on.

I guess I dont look at things the same way you do... I dont see a realistic way to tell if a team is good enough to make the SB until the playoffs ... I see the season as a progression of learning, growing and a progression of momentum... As of this point yeah there is cause for optimism being the team is 5-2 but we dont know whats going to happen in the future. History tells us that typically Carroll's teams get better as the season progresses...So the goal is always to make the SB for every team.

LTH

I look at things realistically and objectively. At this point in the season, which is the only objective point in the season I have to go on, we are on track to be fighting for a WC spot.

Others like yourself and Soulfish like to argue about that with subjective optimistic takes that aren't grounded in any facts or stats to back up your optimism.

Which is fine, be optimistic, that's great. But it doesn't make for engaging conversation when you're discussing things with people who just say "well it COULD happen!" "You never know!"

Yes it could happen, but what are the odds we can get to the SB with this roster and already being two full games behind the Niners halfway through the season? 10%? 20%? Idk, but not good.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Fair enough, to each his/her own.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

After a loss it's ALWAYS an emotional bummer. It's a long season and many things are going to happen some good and some bad. Are the Hawks as good as their record? Are the Hawks as good as their last game? None of it really matters because it's all a progression of momentum. the only thing that really matters is the Hawks make the playoffs with the highest seat possible, hopefully with a home field advantage. The goal is to be peaking at the end of the season. once they get in ANYTHING can happen!

So Its hard after a loss I get that but if you keep things into perspective its not so bad. In fact a loss really isnt a bad thing it refocuses the team and gives them motivation to be better. at some point in this season this team will go on a roll something will trigger it right now we dont know what that is but it's going to happen..

LTH

Anything can happen, but now probably what will happen is we won't win the NFC West and we'll be fighting for a WC spot again.

Which is fine I guess, but it PROBABLY will mean a 1st round playoff loss once we have to go on the road, which we've shown we're not good at in the playoffs.

So have all the positive thoughts you'd like, but this league is built on probabilities, not baseless optimism........and right now we're two games behind the Niners, who look to be the real deal, AND the Rams also look to be back.

So idk man, my expectations were higher than just squeaking into a WC spot this year. So sorry if I'm not on board with your optimism train.

Generally I agree with you but not this time Sarge. The NFC West is far from decided. Hawks have 2 games with SF and 2 more with the Lambs and Cards. Win 3 of those with 1 being vs. SF I think they're in pretty good shape. Obviously that infers a win vs. Atl and TB as well as 2 of 3 vs. Vikes, Eagles and Carolina. A tall order? Sure, but not impossible.

 

[LTH]

I dont have a problem with the fact you think the Seahawks are on track to be a WC team. I think that is a legitimate POSSIBILITY...

I never predicted that the Hawks were going to do anything. All I've said is that there is no reason for anyone to hang their head at this point there is reason for optimism for the rest of the season based on there current record and the History of the progression of a Carroll coached team... That's just backed up with fact being that Carrolls teams typically start slow and build momentum. They have made the playoffs every year but 2 and one was because of a missed FG.

The anything can happen statement was a Holmgren quote... anything can happen once a team makes the playoffs that's fact from a future HOF coach...

So im not sure why you think Im not looking at things realistically and objectively...

LTH

 

[LTH]

There is another point I would like to make... Stats are an indication of what's happening but they dont tell the whole story especially on a Carroll coached team in which its the environment in which the team thrives on...This is an aspect that a lot of people miss or dont understand... It Trumps stats... The best way to explain it is just take a rook... He doesnt get it ... he doesn't get it ... he doesn't get it till one day he definitely gets it.. the stats for that player dont look good but the stat really doesnt represent the player or the process its just a stat...its the same way with the team...

LTH

 

[Sgt. Largent]

There is another point I would like to make... Stats are an indication of what's happening but they dont tell the whole story especially on a Carroll coached team in which its the environment in which the team thrives on...This is an aspect that a lot of people miss or dont understand... It Trumps stats... The best way to explain it is just take a rook... He doesnt get it ... he doesn't get it ... he doesn't get it till one day he definitely gets it.. the stats for that player dont look good but the stat really doesnt represent the player or the process its just a stat...its the same way with the team...

LTH

I'd agree with you if our recent track record backed up your momentum take, but unfortunately we haven't rolled into the playoffs hot, healthy and dangerous in quite some time.

The reality is if Pete's teams don't get the #1 seed, first round byes and HFA, we don't go to SB's. He hasn't showed that he can take this version of a softer more finesse Russell led team on the road in January and win. Quite the opposite actually, as we saw last year.

Now if over the next 5-6 weeks this defense can all of a sudden stiffen up, find a pass rush and fix some VERY bad defensive back play giving up way too many explosive plays? I'm with you. But I need to see it first, I can't just hope............because as Red said in The Shawshank Redemption, LTH, hope is a dangerous thing.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Sing it "This is how we do it!"

 

[LTH]

I dont get too emotionally involved... The SB loss and the blowout loss to the Rams at home a couple a years ago kinda curled my cookie a bit but beyond that I have more fun kinda living the moment with the understanding that a loss isn't going to ruin my day...Hope for me is a wonderful thing... its the reason why some fans wear the same hat in fear of losing the mojo... Thats fun!

 

[OrangeGravy]

Secondly the anything can happen statement was actually a quote from Holmgren referring to the possibilities if a team can make the playoffs...It's a new season...

My bad, I thought we had our sights set higher than just making the playoffs.

Carry on.

I guess I dont look at things the same way you do... I dont see a realistic way to tell if a team is good enough to make the SB until the playoffs ... I see the season as a progression of learning, growing and a progression of momentum... As of this point yeah there is cause for optimism being the team is 5-2 but we dont know whats going to happen in the future. History tells us that typically Carroll's teams get better as the season progresses...So the goal is always to make the SB for every team.

LTH

I look at things realistically and objectively. At this point in the season, which is the only objective point in the season I have to go on, we are on track to be fighting for a WC spot.

Others like yourself and Soulfish like to argue about that with subjective optimistic takes that aren't grounded in any facts or stats to back up your optimism.

Which is fine, be optimistic, that's great. But it doesn't make for engaging conversation when you're discussing things with people who just say "well it COULD happen!" "You never know!"

Yes it could happen, but what are the odds we can get to the SB with this roster and already being two full games behind the Niners halfway through the season? 10%? 20%? Idk, but not good.

What made you think the odds were any higher than that before we played a game?