Spoon interview with Jon Gruden

[chrispy]

After this site (myself included at times) voiced concern about Pete's lack of accountability and being a "players" coach, there's little question in my mind that JCaryer in Seattle plays out quite differently than JCarter in Philly. It was absolutely the right call if the front office wasn't sure they had a foundation in place to handle him. I, personally, feel like many in the front office realized it even if some didn't. Philly has/had team leaders up and down both lines. Seattle did/does not. JCarter evolves differently if he has no competition and free reign. DWSpoon achieves regardless of environment. To me, Spoon as-is v JCarter in an undisciplined environment as a rookie is an easy choice.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

We like our guy, Philly likes their guy.
Both can actually exist.

 

[Smellyman]

Murphy also had a very good Rookie year. The narrative compared to Carter needs to go away.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Jalen Carter is overrated around this board. Yes, he was a position of need, but he had some serious red flags. Lack of motor, tendency to take plays off, in college he didn't play many snaps and even his coach expressed some concern about Carter's motor and dedication to his craft.

In addition to this we have to remember where he went. Virtually every member in that Eagles D-Line rotation could start on most NFL teams. The Eagles are incredibly deep at that position. This allows Carter to be able to take snaps off and come in fresh with no issue.

Last but not least, Carter went to a very strong support system. That Eagles team is riddled with ex Georgia Bulldogs and everyone he's playing around is elite or dang near close to that level on the line. Carter and Murphy also play different roles in their respective system. Murphy acted like a NT most of the time, where as Carter played mostly at DE. Our very own Leonard Williams had a better year than Carter did.

Carter is good, but people are overhyping him around here. I can guarantee you that he would not have had the same impact here on the Seahawks.

 

[cymatica]

Carter was a good fit for Philly, he had his college teammates there that probably helped set him straight. Very possible he wouldn't be happy here and would have had work ethic issues.

Witherspoon, on the other hand, was probably the best pick for this team. He's team captain material and has some Sherman attitude in him

 

[Sprfunk]

Sorry, I love spoon. It was the wrong pick. Carter was the top 1/2 pick. We had no business sniffing him in the draft unless we traded up.
It was a tragic situation, and it sucks the man lost his life. Carter was not at fault though. Two people race and the other guy lost control on his own. Carter didn't hit him, or block his lane. He talked to the cops and they said he could leave.

It's just my opinion, but a DT that effects the game like that is worth his weight in gold.

It was not just a Seahawk need, it's an NFL need for position.

We past him up with a bunch of other teams, but he is holding the trophy.

 

[Subzero717]

I was completely on the Spoon side at the time but its hard not to wonder what a DLine of Williams, Carter, Murphy, Reed etc would have looked like. I still love Spoon and think he's a great player but Carter is a monster too.

I don't think we make the move for Williams if we had drafted Carter.

 

[Hawknight]

I have to look at the title of these threads more closely from now on. When I was quickly glancing I swore the title said Spooning with Jon Gruden..I think I better get my morning coffee now.

 

[Hollandhawk]

I have to look at the title of these threads more closely from now on. When I was quickly glancing I swore the title said Spooning with Jon Gruden..I think I better get my morning coffee now.

The disappointment you must have felt once you realized the actual topic.

 

[Hawknight]

The disappointment you must have felt once you realized the actual topic.

Very

 

[cymatica]

Sorry, I love spoon. It was the wrong pick. Carter was the top 1/2 pick. We had no business sniffing him in the draft unless we traded up.
It was a tragic situation, and it sucks the man lost his life. Carter was not at fault though. Two people race and the other guy lost control on his own. Carter didn't hit him, or block his lane. He talked to the cops and they said he could leave.

It's just my opinion but a DT that effects the game is that was is worth his weight in gold.

It was not a Seahawk need, it's an NFL need for position.

We past him up with a bunch of other teams, but he is holding the trophy.

There were red flags that had nothing to do with that story

 

[keasley45]

There were real legit concerns about the alternative to that pick. I'll still take Spoon. I know carter has looked very good, dominant at times but would that have happened here? We will never know. Fun debate. I'll stick with who we have.

I think you have to look at the sum of the pieces across two drafts. Sure, we could have picked Carter, but who would we have taken the following year that is as good as Spoon?

We hit on Spoon x 1000 and then went and drafted B Murphy. I will take Spoon and Murphy vs Carter and X (whoever we'd have taken the following year).

Murphy is still learning. Just because he wasnt a force right out of the box doesnt mean he wont be.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

I think you have to look at the sum of the pieces across two drafts. Sure, we could have picked Carter, but who would we have taken the following year that is as good as Spoon?

We hit on Spoon x 1000 and then went and drafted B Murphy. I will take Spoon and Murphy vs Carter and X (whoever we'd have taken the following year).

Murphy is still learning. Just because he wasnt a force right out of the box doesnt mean he wont be.

I agree. Another thing that goes into it is who we signed/traded for. Would that move have been done had we drafted Carter? Such as the Leonard Williams deal. Chances are he or Murphy wouldn’t even be here. That starts to take into account so many hypotheticals. It’s impossible to truly grade. I like the tandem of Leo and Murphy up front and add in Spoon. I’m very pleased.

 

[Rat]

I think you have to look at the sum of the pieces across two drafts. Sure, we could have picked Carter, but who would we have taken the following year that is as good as Spoon?

Quinyon Mitchell.

Well, he's better than Spoon, but the point still stands.

 

[Smellyman]

Quinyon Mitchell.

Well, he's better than Spoon, but the point still stands

Spoon had the better rookie season and his second season was better than Mitchell too

 

[Sprfunk]

I don't think we make the move for Williams if we had drafted Carter.

Right, the trade for Williams was because didn't draft Carter. Williams was a need trade.

 

[Double Tribble]

What do the Eagles have that we don't? Better line play, and a stud young qb. Our secondary is fine, we are almost there with the dline, maybe just need a big nt to free up BM and another edge, Oline obviously needs much improvement. Draft/acquire some better linemen and a stud young qb and we're there, right? Easy peazy. Make it so MM.