Seahawks Targeting Sam Darnold

[Ozzy]

Darnold is a mirage and is only seen as a good option because of the system he was in which is why the Vikings are okay with him walking away if it comes to it.

You may be right? But I watched a couple of his games this year and came away thinking he was greatly improved. He made plays off script and had some incredible throws that most guys can’t make. I mean he was a top of the first round pick for a reason, the dude is talented.

It’s entirely possible he’s exactly what you say he is I just the alternative is possible as well and he flashed a little of that regardless of his situation

 

[Hawkpower]

Darnold is a mirage and is only seen as a good option because of the system he was in which is why the Vikings are okay with him walking away if it comes to it.

The NFL was in awe of the guy up until then. His bad game allowed our brains to reconcile to the Darnold we had always seen, so we allow that narrative to take back over because its easier

Players have improved before. Players have had terrible games in big spots before (Mahomes)

I'm not pro Sam. But I am not against taking a flyer if its the right price AND if we still consider drafting a young guy in case old Sam is indeed the real Sam

 

[SonicHawk]

Darnold's regular season outside of TD/INT was worse than Geno's with a significantly better offense. Darnold played his best year of his career and Geno had a down year and Geno was still the 7th ranked pass grade from PFF while Darnold was 8th. Darnold had a full percentage point higher in turnover worthy throws %. Darnold's pressure to sack percentage was nearly identical. He was the only non mobile QB that had a time to throw in the top 10 (Geno was 14th).

Basically what I'm saying is Darnold -- in his career year, throwing to Justin Jefferson, was almost as good as Geno.

I'm not a Darnold hater either -- I think he cemented himself as a lower end QB and have even been supportive of him when he was a FA prior to this year. There are teams that didn't have NFL level QB play that he would improve their situation. The Seahawks just wasn't one of them. We need to go big in the draft.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Nice of DK to request a trade so we could get Darnold his preferred number, at least.

 

[hox]

Word from Vikings land is that Darnold was outplayed by McCarthy in camp. If McCarthy wasn't injured, he would have been their starter.

Darnold for 30 million with some outs? Maybe but not much more than that.

 

[Rat]

Dropping from the 7th to the 8th ranked passer while getting seven years younger at the position doesn't feel like a horrible trade-off to me.

 

[Ozzy]

Darnold's regular season outside of TD/INT was worse than Geno's with a significantly better offense. Darnold played his best year of his career and Geno had a down year and Geno was still the 7th ranked pass grade from PFF while Darnold was 8th. Darnold had a full percentage point higher in turnover worthy throws %. Darnold's pressure to sack percentage was nearly identical. He was the only non mobile QB that had a time to throw in the top 10 (Geno was 14th).

Basically what I'm saying is Darnold -- in his career year, throwing to Justin Jefferson, was almost as good as Geno.

If PFF rated them almost the same how was Geno much better? PFF supposedly factors situational stuff in as well.

I get it he’s had one great year so you guys may be right. When I watched him I saw him make multiple plays that I didn’t think Geno would make in the same situation. Even in the Seattle game he broke our back a few times with wow plays.

He’s also much younger and can still improve. Genoa was terrible until his 30’s.

If kubiak who’s coached him wants him as his guy for his offense I’d be good with it.

 

[Natethegreat]

If Darnold wants 30 mill or more I'm not on board with that. I'd rather draft a qb and see who wins the starting job.

 

[DarkVictory23]

Darnold's regular season outside of TD/INT was worse than Geno's with a significantly better offense. Darnold played his best year of his career and Geno had a down year and Geno was still the 7th ranked pass grade from PFF while Darnold was 8th. Darnold had a full percentage point higher in turnover worthy throws %. Darnold's pressure to sack percentage was nearly identical. He was the only non mobile QB that had a time to throw in the top 10 (Geno was 14th).

Basically what I'm saying is Darnold -- in his career year, throwing to Justin Jefferson, was almost as good as Geno.

I'm not a Darnold hater either -- I think he cemented himself as a lower end QB and have even been supportive of him when he was a FA prior to this year. There are teams that didn't have NFL level QB play that he would improve their situation. The Seahawks just wasn't one of them. We need to go big in the draft.

Darnold is a lesser Geno. Plus arm talent, good with timing throws, willing to take shots... but also not as accurate, athletic, or poised in the pocket. But he's younger so I can see the calculus being Darnold is minus a bit in talent, but if we upgrade our OL, it's a wash and then he's a potential 5+ year plan vs. Geno who was 2-3 max.

Everybody and their mother seems to think the Darnold to Seahawks thing is all but a done deal, so I'm reconciling myself to it. The plus for me is that if this is true, we might just be going all-in on Kubiak's run focused offense and still have hope for a winning season next year.

At the worst, I think Darnold is basically equivalent to Derek Carr (not the same type of talent, just equivalent talent levels) and he was able to look pretty good when NO had everything humming on offense. Is Walker + Charbs as our version of Kamara with Darnold playing game manager able to produce the same highs as that? I think there is an argument to be made.

It won't be the same highs as what we'd have gotten with Geno in the same offense but that would have had a fast-approaching expiration date and if the Darnold experiment works, then we are set for much longer.

At least, that's what I'm telling myself right now.

 

[bevellisthedevil]

I have this strange suspicion that Derek Carr is going to be our stopgap somehow.

 

[Hotchy]

 

[Seahawker]

 

[warden]

I am probably in the minority here but I saw go the season with Howell.

Don’t reach for a QB in the draft
Don’t overpay a free agent QB
Don’t be desperate

When getting a franchise QB, get it right, if that means waiting until next year sobeit

 

[hox]

If Darnold wants 30 mill or more I'm not on board with that. I'd rather draft a qb and see who wins the starting job.

I heard his number is 40+

 

[Wsumatt1982]

I heard his number is 40+

Where are you hearing that? I’ve read from a lot of people and they are all consistent at $15 million less than Geno so $25-$30 million

 

[Grahamhawker]

I'd honestly be disappointed if the Hawks sign Darnold for anywhere near $40+

 

[SonicHawk]

Where are you hearing that? I’ve read from a lot of people and they are all consistent at $15 million less than Geno so $25-$30 million

If Darnold comes in at 25 .. ugh, I still get frustrated but at least the dollars make more sense.

 

[hox]

Where are you hearing that? I’ve read from a lot of people and they are all consistent at $15 million less than Geno so $25-$30 million

From a Seahawk Youtuber so don't know how accurate it is. Guess we will find out soon enough.

Also Spotrac is valuing him at 40

Sam Darnold | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Sam Darnold signed a 3 year, $100,500,000 contract with the Seattle Seahawks, including $32,000,000 signing bonus, $52,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $33,500,000. In 2025, Darnold will earn a base salary of $5,300,000, a signing bonus of $32,000,000 and a workout bonus...

www.spotrac.com

 

[Maelstrom787]

I have this strange suspicion that Derek Carr is going to be our stopgap somehow.

If I wasn't sold on Darnold, I sure am now, because I'd rather shit in my hands and clap than go from Geno to Carr.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Please learn from @SoulfishHawk on how to create nicknames. if learning is too hard, buy him cocktails, and he may do it for ya.

Nah, I'm retired from that. Just came out for a quick drive by with Geno leaving.