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I'm fine with never having a Super Bowl held here, honestly
mikeak":33davaqt said:So when does the Santa Clara 49ers logo get unveiled anyways?
Popeyejones":3kf6n50d said:mikeak":3kf6n50d said:So when does the Santa Clara 49ers logo get unveiled anyways?
Right after the New Jersey Giants and New Jersey Jets get around to changing their names.
Missing_Clink":3bpq0ths said:That sounds like a train wreck. 40 miles away from San Fran? That is terrible. Having a world class stadium in the heart of downtown like the CLink is something many take for granted. it is so awesome. Its what you would expect from a first rate organization like the Seahawks though.
CALIHAWK1":5ed9m9du said:Missing_Clink":5ed9m9du said:That sounds like a train wreck. 40 miles away from San Fran? That is terrible. Having a world class stadium in the heart of downtown like the CLink is something many take for granted. it is so awesome. Its what you would expect from a first rate organization like the Seahawks though.
That's also how you kill tailgating. Also with the population spread out the way it is, its probably advantageous to have it in Santa Clara.
Missing_Clink":3e0hew3u said:CALIHAWK1":3e0hew3u said:Missing_Clink":3e0hew3u said:That sounds like a train wreck. 40 miles away from San Fran? That is terrible. Having a world class stadium in the heart of downtown like the CLink is something many take for granted. it is so awesome. Its what you would expect from a first rate organization like the Seahawks though.
That's also how you kill tailgating. Also with the population spread out the way it is, its probably advantageous to have it in Santa Clara.
I'll forgo tailgating to be able to walk to the stadium and meet my friends at one of the tons of options for food or drinks
Missing_Clink":2tzm8u8h said:Its what you would expect from a first rate organization like the Seahawks though.
Marvin49":2bohkns1 said:Hadn't posted over here in months and decided just to chime in on this one. No interest in commenting on the football stuff as that was why I left the site to begin with...
1) The assumption here that the 49ers are moving AWAY from their fanbase is faulty. They are actually moving CLOSER to their fanbase. SF is SMALLER than San Jose in both size and population. San Jose is the heart of the Silicon Valley. Santa Clara borders San Jose. There is a far larger % of the existing fanbase living in the South Bay than in the city. With far more public transport options, it will actually be EASIER to get to the game for a larger % of the fans than it has been in the past. It should also be mentioned that the new stadium is being built adjacent to the 49ers training facility that has been their home for over 25 years.
2) As much as I respect you Popeye, I'm gonna have to disagree with your "Only SC was dumb enough" idea there. That ain't how it went down. I've been following this for a long, long time. Did SC offer a better package than SF did? Yes...which is to say they were willing to offer something compared to nothing. SC didn't offer sh*t compared to what cities are offering in other parts of the country. The city bears the load on a small % of the cost and is now reaping the benefits of mall complexes being built adjacent to the stadium. Hosting the Super Bowl will be huge economically. Don't believe me? Go look how many locations that host a SB try to get another one. The comment there about plopping a stadium down in a "Tech Rich" area is PRECISELY what they did. The new stadium is smack dab in the middle of Silicon Valley. It wasn't just some empty plot of land in the middle of nowhere. There is a reason they did so and its all about $$$. They are after that South Bay tech $$$. Why do you think the A's want to be in SJ so bad?
3) The "Bad Location" concept. LOL. At issue here is that the stadium isn't being built in the boonies (even tho SF stadium supporters would like you to believe that). Its being built in an area next to an amusement park, next to a convention center, next to hotels, next to a golf course (that is likely about to become a mall), and amid some huge Tech companies (Yahoo, Citrix, etc). At issue here on the Monday/Thurs Night games is simply that they want to figure out the traffic issues during the first season in the building. The new building also has both heavy and light rail access, something SF could never provide. Anyone who think that peeps lived in SF and walked to the games or something has never been to Hunters Point. Walking to Candlestick can get you shot...and it has nothing to do with unruly 49er fans. SC will be completely different. Instead of being greeted by a slum when you leave the stadium, you will be in a MUCH, MUCH nicer area with Montans restaurant/bar and several small shops and new hotels (built by Montana and Debartolo across the street from the stadium). If any of you have been to Baltimore, I'd envision it much more like that. The Inner Harbor (Mall) is right next to Camden Yards and whatever the Ravens stadium is called.
Popeyejones":1mh08amb said:Missing_Clink":1mh08amb said:Its what you would expect from a first rate organization like the Seahawks though.
LOL. TBF I think it takes three things:
1) a billionaire owner
2) a city (or in the case of the CLink) state that is willing to ignore the advice of practically the entire fields of economics, urban planning, and public policy that study the public financing of stadiums. (This is true of all publicly financed stadiums but PARTICULARLY football stadiums).
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Throwdown":11510ink said:I'm fine with never having a Super Bowl held here, honestly
Popeyejones":16znwmk5 said:^^^ While there are admittedly some substantive points that are worth debating in your post, LOL at trying to reduce substantive disagreement on my part to jealousy, hate, and the moral failings of today's society. Seriously dude? C'mon.
While heading down such a silly road, it's probably at least worth acknowledging that:
a) I'm a 9ers fan.
b) Santa Clara by any measure made a MUCH more favorable deal than did the state of Washington/City of Seattle.
c) As a 9ers fan I am still critical of the 49ers organization, the NFL and the city of Santa Clara. Read that again.
d) I haven't lived in the Bay Area for well over a decade and couldn't give a rat where the stadium is. Heck, I've been to the CLink (once) as many times as I've been to Candlestick in the last ten years.
What in the world would I have to be jealous about on this topic?
Popeyejones":2bvry5a7 said:Marvin49":2bvry5a7 said:Hadn't posted over here in months and decided just to chime in on this one. No interest in commenting on the football stuff as that was why I left the site to begin with...
1) The assumption here that the 49ers are moving AWAY from their fanbase is faulty. They are actually moving CLOSER to their fanbase. SF is SMALLER than San Jose in both size and population. San Jose is the heart of the Silicon Valley. Santa Clara borders San Jose. There is a far larger % of the existing fanbase living in the South Bay than in the city. With far more public transport options, it will actually be EASIER to get to the game for a larger % of the fans than it has been in the past. It should also be mentioned that the new stadium is being built adjacent to the 49ers training facility that has been their home for over 25 years.
2) As much as I respect you Popeye, I'm gonna have to disagree with your "Only SC was dumb enough" idea there. That ain't how it went down. I've been following this for a long, long time. Did SC offer a better package than SF did? Yes...which is to say they were willing to offer something compared to nothing. SC didn't offer sh*t compared to what cities are offering in other parts of the country. The city bears the load on a small % of the cost and is now reaping the benefits of mall complexes being built adjacent to the stadium. Hosting the Super Bowl will be huge economically. Don't believe me? Go look how many locations that host a SB try to get another one. The comment there about plopping a stadium down in a "Tech Rich" area is PRECISELY what they did. The new stadium is smack dab in the middle of Silicon Valley. It wasn't just some empty plot of land in the middle of nowhere. There is a reason they did so and its all about $$$. They are after that South Bay tech $$$. Why do you think the A's want to be in SJ so bad?
3) The "Bad Location" concept. LOL. At issue here is that the stadium isn't being built in the boonies (even tho SF stadium supporters would like you to believe that). Its being built in an area next to an amusement park, next to a convention center, next to hotels, next to a golf course (that is likely about to become a mall), and amid some huge Tech companies (Yahoo, Citrix, etc). At issue here on the Monday/Thurs Night games is simply that they want to figure out the traffic issues during the first season in the building. The new building also has both heavy and light rail access, something SF could never provide. Anyone who think that peeps lived in SF and walked to the games or something has never been to Hunters Point. Walking to Candlestick can get you shot...and it has nothing to do with unruly 49er fans. SC will be completely different. Instead of being greeted by a slum when you leave the stadium, you will be in a MUCH, MUCH nicer area with Montans restaurant/bar and several small shops and new hotels (built by Montana and Debartolo across the street from the stadium). If any of you have been to Baltimore, I'd envision it much more like that. The Inner Harbor (Mall) is right next to Camden Yards and whatever the Ravens stadium is called.
Hey, no problem at all w/ disagreement, and welcome back to the hornet's nest, man.
On #1 & #3 absolutely agreed.
On #2, I think we disagree, although only along the margins. Agreed that SC didn't offer what others have offered, but any money at all is still most likely a bad deal for Santa Clara. The city and its constituencies have essentially given the 49ers $100 million to move there, and taken on the debt risk. This is without factoring in any of the additional costs they will incur, or the loss of revenue on free services that are part of the deal.
As for the Super Bowl, it's more than a little questionable if it will be a net gain or net loss for the city, particularly given the concessions around revenue that SC had to make to GET the Super Bowl, and if we're being honest, the concessions SC made and Miami wouldn't (because they were being asked to make it an unprofitable venture for their city on the ledger sheet) are the main reason the Super Bowl was even awarded to SC in the first place:
http://www.mercurynews.com/southbayfoot ... ms-imposed
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_22817607/ ... host-super
http://www.ninersnation.com/2013/3/15/4 ... mption-nfl
And absolutely 100% agreed that they want to be in the heart of tech country, although Santa Clara is really one of the only municipality there who both CAN and NEED to spend public funds on a stadium as a form of image management. It's a rough measure but if you look at median home prices for cities in San Francisco, San Mateo and Santa Clara counties, you can narrow down where a stadium might have been built remarkably quickly:
http://www.dqnews.com/Charts/Annual-Cha ... CAR12.aspx
Carmon1274":3kta5w0u said: