Russ (concern)

[Scorpion05]

Stats were deceptive. He missed a few throws that he would have made earlier in the year, and he took some stupid sacks that were the result of him trying to play heroball. Something about Wilson doesn't look right. His stats look okay but in this game I don't think they told the whole story.

Since after the Bucs game Wilson hasn't looked right. He isn't playing bad per-say, but I can't say he's playing great either. This is concerning given that the only way that the Seahawks are going to get anywhere in the postseason is on Wilson's arm.

It’s great to have Wilson play all world, but this is 2017 style nitpicking. What you’re basically arguing is that Wilson needs to play other worldly, far beyond any other QB to not look “off”

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Oh, and we should remember that at least 2 of Russ's int's were on tipped balls and freakish plays. Doesn't completely exonerate Russ, of course, but they were more of the "shit happens" variety than real screwups.

The most recent one was a very end of the game prayer against the Rams when trailing by 16 desperately trying to make something happen against all odds. To me it only counts in the stat line.

 

[Appyhawk]

One thing that proves true is that you can only have your best day once. Thing is you never know if you've already had it or not.
Russ has a long time to play yet, so as good as he's been he may get even better. Everyone has days that aren't as good as some of the best. Just have to try to make the next game better than the last one was. So far as I know Russ is as good at that as anyone else.

 

[John63]

Stats were deceptive. He missed a few throws that he would have made earlier in the year, and he took some stupid sacks that were the result of him trying to play heroball. Something about Wilson doesn't look right. His stats look okay but in this game I don't think they told the whole story.

Since after the Bucs game Wilson hasn't looked right. He isn't playing bad per-say, but I can't say he's playing great either. This is concerning given that the only way that the Seahawks are going to get anywhere in the postseason is on Wilson's arm.

It’s great to have Wilson play all world, but this is 2017 style nitpicking. What you’re basically arguing is that Wilson needs to play other worldly, far beyond any other QB to not look “off”

It never about what he did, its always about what he did not do, and when id doubt the old stats are misleading, and what the person complaining sees it what matters. Then you wonder why some of us are the way we are.

 

[John63]

Oh, and we should remember that at least 2 of Russ's int's were on tipped balls and freakish plays. Doesn't completely exonerate Russ, of course, but they were more of the "$h!t happens" variety than real screwups.

The most recent one was a very end of the game prayer against the Rams when trailing by 16 desperately trying to make something happen against all odds. To me it only counts in the stat line.

To some the stat line only matters when he plays bad, when he plays good the stats line does not matter only what they say the saw.

 

[Rat]

There's probably no QB in the league more critical of himself than Russ. He's a film room junkie always looking to improve. Occasionally expressing concerns about his play shouldn't be seen as some huge indictment of his worth on this team.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Russ converted a 3rd and 11 we absolutely had to have. Under pressure when everyone knew he was throwing it.

Go look at Cousins converting (or not converting) the down he 'absolutely had to have'.

Russ is literally the reason this team wins.

He will still have ups and downs, and he was on a tear before, it makes sense he would come back to earth a little recently. Even so, he is better almost any other team gets for their QB.

There are many things I am concerned about with this team, Russ is not one of them.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

There's probably no QB in the league more critical of himself than Russ. He's a film room junkie always looking to improve. Occasionally expressing concerns about his play shouldn't be seen as some huge indictment of his worth on this team.

Absolutely agree. Last week he was pedestrian. That said, there's a difference between expressing concern or saying he didn't have a great week and denigrating him with things like "hero ball" or not acknowledging his overall excellence yesterday, etc. (not referring directly to you Rat).

 

[Mad Dog]

There's probably no QB in the league more critical of himself than Russ. He's a film room junkie always looking to improve. Occasionally expressing concerns about his play shouldn't be seen as some huge indictment of his worth on this team.

Then what's the point of expressing concerns?

To me the only reason to whine on a forum is if you see a serious problem that needs a ground roots fan uprising to deal with. Otherwise you are just a negative complainer if you have to moan about the best player on the team. There is probably not a more consistently good player in the league than Wilson. He has far fewer bad days than most players and has far more great days than most players. What more can you ask for?

If you are asking for perfection then its time to move into the real world for a bit. Nobody's perfect and most are considerably less so.

 

[Rat]

There's probably no QB in the league more critical of himself than Russ. He's a film room junkie always looking to improve. Occasionally expressing concerns about his play shouldn't be seen as some huge indictment of his worth on this team.

Then what's the point of expressing concerns?

To me the only reason to whine on a forum is if you see a serious problem that needs a ground roots fan uprising to deal with. Otherwise you are just a negative complainer if you have to moan about the best player on the team. There is probably not a more consistently good player in the league than Wilson. He has far fewer bad days than most players and has far more great days than most players. What more can you ask for?

If you are asking for perfection then its time to move into the real world for a bit. Nobody's perfect and most are considerably less so.

The "point" is that its football discussion. Isn't that the purpose of these boards?

I always find it funny when people on here say that we have to be positive, like the team gets motivation from this board, or is going to go into an extended slump if someone calls a player out. I promise that when the team is facing adversity late in a game, Russ isn't sitting there in the huddle saying "Mad Dog said we're awesome, and you know what? He's right. Let's win this game!".

Some people, myself included, enjoy the game breakdown and the critical analysis. A lot of times that means positive things, but other times it means "why did Wags have a bad game?" or "what was Russ thinking on that throw?". There's a big difference between that and troll posts, which we have moderators to delete, but some on here treat them as the same.

I don't see what's productive about posting things like "these posts" condescendingly, or things to the effect of "I can't believe people are whining when we're 11-3!". If a playoff opponent is able to exploit a team weakness, it won't matter what our record was. Some people enjoy discussing those potential weaknesses. To them, it makes this escape more interesting. There shouldn't be a problem with that.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

There's probably no QB in the league more critical of himself than Russ. He's a film room junkie always looking to improve. Occasionally expressing concerns about his play shouldn't be seen as some huge indictment of his worth on this team.

Then what's the point of expressing concerns?

To me the only reason to whine on a forum is if you see a serious problem that needs a ground roots fan uprising to deal with. Otherwise you are just a negative complainer if you have to moan about the best player on the team. There is probably not a more consistently good player in the league than Wilson. He has far fewer bad days than most players and has far more great days than most players. What more can you ask for?

If you are asking for perfection then its time to move into the real world for a bit. Nobody's perfect and most are considerably less so.

The "point" is that its football discussion. Isn't that the purpose of these boards?

I always find it funny when people on here say that we have to be positive, like the team gets motivation from this board, or is going to go into an extended slump if someone calls a player out. I promise that when the team is facing adversity late in a game, Russ isn't sitting there in the huddle saying "Mad Dog said we're awesome, and you know what? He's right. Let's win this game!".

Some people, myself included, enjoy the game breakdown and the critical analysis. A lot of times that means positive things, but other times it means "why did Wags have a bad game?" or "what was Russ thinking on that throw?". There's a big difference between that and troll posts, which we have moderators to delete, but some on here treat them as the same.

I don't see what's productive about posting things like "these posts" condescendingly, or things to the effect of "I can't believe people are whining when we're 11-3!". If a playoff opponent is able to exploit a team weakness, it won't matter what our record was. Some people enjoy discussing those potential weaknesses. To them, it makes this escape more interesting. There shouldn't be a problem with that.

You can have all the concerns about every aspect of the team you want, but how bout we make them valid concerns.

If you were to make a top 100 concerns of the current state of the Hawks, Russell would be #100.

Dude had an almost perfect passer rating, and the OP is "concerned?" Lol, c'mon man, we can be a better fan forum then that. That's all we're asking, put some objective thought and validity into making threads.

 

[Rat]

There's probably no QB in the league more critical of himself than Russ. He's a film room junkie always looking to improve. Occasionally expressing concerns about his play shouldn't be seen as some huge indictment of his worth on this team.

Then what's the point of expressing concerns?

To me the only reason to whine on a forum is if you see a serious problem that needs a ground roots fan uprising to deal with. Otherwise you are just a negative complainer if you have to moan about the best player on the team. There is probably not a more consistently good player in the league than Wilson. He has far fewer bad days than most players and has far more great days than most players. What more can you ask for?

If you are asking for perfection then its time to move into the real world for a bit. Nobody's perfect and most are considerably less so.

The "point" is that its football discussion. Isn't that the purpose of these boards?

I always find it funny when people on here say that we have to be positive, like the team gets motivation from this board, or is going to go into an extended slump if someone calls a player out. I promise that when the team is facing adversity late in a game, Russ isn't sitting there in the huddle saying "Mad Dog said we're awesome, and you know what? He's right. Let's win this game!".

Some people, myself included, enjoy the game breakdown and the critical analysis. A lot of times that means positive things, but other times it means "why did Wags have a bad game?" or "what was Russ thinking on that throw?". There's a big difference between that and troll posts, which we have moderators to delete, but some on here treat them as the same.

I don't see what's productive about posting things like "these posts" condescendingly, or things to the effect of "I can't believe people are whining when we're 11-3!". If a playoff opponent is able to exploit a team weakness, it won't matter what our record was. Some people enjoy discussing those potential weaknesses. To them, it makes this escape more interesting. There shouldn't be a problem with that.

You can have all the concerns about every aspect of the team you want, but how bout we make them valid concerns.

If you were to make a top 100 concerns of the current state of the Hawks, Russell would be #100.

Dude had an almost perfect passer rating, and the OP is "concerned?" Lol, c'mon man, we can be a better fan forum then that. That's all we're asking, put some objective thought and validity into making threads.

Russ is amazing, but I think concerns about him are almost always valid, regardless of where he ranks on the concern list. He's the leader and most important player on the team. We win or lose with him more than anyone. If KJ Wright has a bad game, that hurts us, but we're much more likely to overcome that than if the Russ that showed up eight days ago has that kind of game again. I don't know who our first playoff opponent will be, but it likely won't be a reeling team missing their star QB who recently fired their head coach, like the team we just faced. I suspect he will show up big in the playoffs. I don't think he's above scrutiny though; it's part of the job.

 

[John63]

Then what's the point of expressing concerns?

To me the only reason to whine on a forum is if you see a serious problem that needs a ground roots fan uprising to deal with. Otherwise you are just a negative complainer if you have to moan about the best player on the team. There is probably not a more consistently good player in the league than Wilson. He has far fewer bad days than most players and has far more great days than most players. What more can you ask for?

If you are asking for perfection then its time to move into the real world for a bit. Nobody's perfect and most are considerably less so.

The "point" is that its football discussion. Isn't that the purpose of these boards?

I always find it funny when people on here say that we have to be positive, like the team gets motivation from this board, or is going to go into an extended slump if someone calls a player out. I promise that when the team is facing adversity late in a game, Russ isn't sitting there in the huddle saying "Mad Dog said we're awesome, and you know what? He's right. Let's win this game!".

Some people, myself included, enjoy the game breakdown and the critical analysis. A lot of times that means positive things, but other times it means "why did Wags have a bad game?" or "what was Russ thinking on that throw?". There's a big difference between that and troll posts, which we have moderators to delete, but some on here treat them as the same.

I don't see what's productive about posting things like "these posts" condescendingly, or things to the effect of "I can't believe people are whining when we're 11-3!". If a playoff opponent is able to exploit a team weakness, it won't matter what our record was. Some people enjoy discussing those potential weaknesses. To them, it makes this escape more interesting. There shouldn't be a problem with that.

You can have all the concerns about every aspect of the team you want, but how bout we make them valid concerns.

If you were to make a top 100 concerns of the current state of the Hawks, Russell would be #100.

Dude had an almost perfect passer rating, and the OP is "concerned?" Lol, c'mon man, we can be a better fan forum then that. That's all we're asking, put some objective thought and validity into making threads.

Russ is amazing, but I think concerns about him are almost always valid, regardless of where he ranks on the concern list. He's the leader and most important player on the team. We win or lose with him more than anyone. If KJ Wright has a bad game, that hurts us, but we're much more likely to overcome that than if the Russ that showed up eight days ago has that kind of game again. I don't know who our first playoff opponent will be, but it likely won't be a reeling team missing their star QB who recently fired their head coach, like the team we just faced. I suspect he will show up big in the playoffs. I don't think he's above scrutiny though; it's part of the job.

VALID concerns are one thing, but makign crap up is another for example the OP "s it just me or Russ has slackened?? I mean he was carrying our team , when D was weak and now when D is somehow clicking Russ has slackened.."

Slackened as in slacking and is not trying really? OR another I said he is just looking at the ground finding a place to fall down. I mean lets be at least real. Or nit picking just to nit pick, he played a really good game against Carolina yet a few only want to talk about the missed long ball, or a sack or the clock running down. If you want a perfect Qb trade Wilson and find one, I am sure you never will but to constantly be looking for stuff to bitch about it ridiculous. You could do the same for every player on this team but it seems only Wilson get mentioned after every game no matter how good he plays someone has to find a reason to complain. That's the problem. If it was just when he played a bad game probably would not be a big deal, But it is after every single game someone complains about something and it is usually the same few who have complained about him since day one and still can't get over it, yes we have an under 6 foot, African American QB who is one of the best in the game today, deal with it and stop coming up with something to complain about after every game. Good Lord I am not a huge PC guy but I dont complain after every game, not a big Lynch guy again did not complain after every game, not an Alexander guy but did not complain after every game. I understand no matter how good you are you will have bad games and good games, and great games.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Stats were deceptive. He missed a few throws that he would have made earlier in the year, and he took some stupid sacks that were the result of him trying to play heroball. Something about Wilson doesn't look right. His stats look okay but in this game I don't think they told the whole story.

Since after the Bucs game Wilson hasn't looked right. He isn't playing bad per-say, but I can't say he's playing great either. This is concerning given that the only way that the Seahawks are going to get anywhere in the postseason is on Wilson's arm.

It’s great to have Wilson play all world, but this is 2017 style nitpicking. What you’re basically arguing is that Wilson needs to play other worldly, far beyond any other QB to not look “off”

Wilson does need to play at his early season level in order for the Seahawks to win anything this postseason. That is going to be the only way we do anything.

Now Wilson since the Bucs game is concern because quite honestly he has looked like just another guy. He's falling back into bad old habits and missing opportunities. Before the Carolina game he had just as many INTs as TDs in the time period. He looked better against Carolina, but still had a portion in that game where he didn't look good. I'd say his first three drives were solid, and his final drive but everything in between was perplexing.

I'd say part of it is the playcalling. They haven't compensated very well for Britts absence and they're not really mixing things up. Schottenheimers playcalling has been bad lately.

Wilson in general just looks off. He isn't playing terrible, but he isn't playing great either.

 

[scutterhawk]

He looked down against the Lambs. He looked fine to me today. Last week, the whole team looked off, and Russ really didn't seem to be doing his usual rah-rah on the sidlines to keep them in the game.

Everybody has bad days. He was back to his old self today, or at least it seemed like it to me.

Rams went with the Two Minute Drill on offense, only they did it for the whole HOUR... they weren't going to let Pete dictate the rhythm of the game.
Pete's usual slow starts bit him in the butt, + both Offense & Defense were not healthy enough to keep up.

 

[Jville]

Forgive me .......... Of the 8 pressures allowed, only 1 (hurry) was charged to the OL.

The other 7... on Russell Wilson. [tweet]https://twitter.com/JamesThomasHT/status/1206615201853906946[/tweet]

........................ I just couldn't resist posting the above tweet ...... LOL

 

[Mizak]

Forgive me .......... Of the 8 pressures allowed, only 1 (hurry) was charged to the OL.

The other 7... on Russell Wilson. [tweet]https://twitter.com/JamesThomasHT/status/1206615201853906946[/tweet]

........................ I just couldn't resist posting the above tweet ...... LOL

LMAO!

 

[John63]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-15-pff-refocused-seattle-seahawks-30-carolina-panthers-24

"Quarterback Russell Wilson was excellent throughout, doing little to detract from his MVP campaign. Wilson did have a fumble early in the second quarter but was otherwise flawless, missing very few throws and connecting on several beautiful passes downfield."


Hmm could it be the 7 that someone here wants to blame Wilson for were coverage not Wilson? OF course since PFF did not say it was Wilson but hey let not let facts get int he way of someones need to blame. FYI I do think a couple were on Wilson, but cant prove it, so I will not commit to it.

 

[Jville]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-15-pff-refocused-seattle-seahawks-30-carolina-panthers-24

"Quarterback Russell Wilson was excellent throughout, doing little to detract from his MVP campaign. Wilson did have a fumble early in the second quarter but was otherwise flawless, missing very few throws and connecting on several beautiful passes downfield."


Hmm could it be the 7 that someone here wants to blame Wilson for were coverage not Wilson? OF course since PFF did not say it was Wilson but hey let not let facts get int he way of someones need to blame. FYI I do think a couple were on Wilson, but cant prove it, so I will not commit to it.

:229031_shrug: Neither James Thomas nor anyone else is blaming anyone with that tweet. It's humorous though.

 

[edogg23]

I don’t care if Russ won’t admit it. He was sick during the Rams game. I think he just has to much pride to admit it even though it was obvious.