Rumor: Seahawks talking to Giants about Kam trade

[hawknation2015]

I wonder what happened to the motto about protecting the team? Fans can disparage Kam, but not sure I like the unamed player in this report:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13607128/seattle-seahawks-set-move-holdout-kam-chancellor

Said a teammate: "We will win without him, and it will hit him."

Smacks of the gossip about Wilson not being black enough. No need for this type of stuff leaking out of the locker room.

inevitable.

They don't like it, but they have to move forward. It's that simple.

 

[JAGHAWK]

It's becoming more realistic, as each day passes, that Kam may not be on the field against the Rams. The BF and I have a bet going and I'm feeling certain that I am about to cash in on the saddest 20 dollar bill I ever received.

Please come home, Kam. </3

Even if he does come back this week, I highly doubt Pete is going to let him play after being out the entire training camp. That's a recipe for injury.

Kam would probably have to get in at least a full week, if not two of practice before playing.

Makes sense. And I'd be okay with that. Just to know this crap is over and done with would be such a relief.

 

[Blitzer88]

This whole situation is ridiculous now. I do not see this ending well for either side. Kam seems set to miss games in order to get a new deal/more money and the FO, rightfully so, is holding their ground with 3 years left on Kam's deal. I do not like this one bit. Really turning a promising start of the season sour.

 

[DavidSeven]

I think you can already rule him out for Week 1. They started practicing for the Rams yesterday, and I believe they're off on Tuesdays (?). I know he's a vet, but I can't imagine Pete would put him on the field with just a day or two of prep and no conditioning. Kam missing a real game became very realistic when he didn't show up yesterday.

 

[themunn]

Now Chancellor is in the exact opposite scenario where he is definitely outplaying his contract. Yes, it's a nice average earner at $7m a year, but look at the top SS contracts, guys like Donte Whitner, Reshad Jones, Aaron Williams and Morgan Burnett are all getting paid $6m plus a year. Ask yourself, if you could trade straight up for one of these guys and clear Kam's salary off the books and pay one of these guys instead would you do it?

Now Rodgers is in the exact opposite scenario where he is definitely outplaying his contract. Yes, it's a nice average earner at $22m a year, but look at the top QB contracts, guys like RW, Big Ben, Cam Newton and Rivers are all getting paid $21m plus a year. Ask yourself, if you could trade straight up for one of these guys and clear Aaron's salary off the books and pay one of these guys instead would you do it?

Very clever what you did there!

Let me put it to you a different way, if you are the Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers chooses to hold out, do you pay him?

Next man up right??

So why isn't Aaron Rodgers holding out then?

Presumably he's happy enough making $22m a year. Kam Chancellor isn't happy making $7m a year. I'm not sure why you find this complicated

 

[mikeak]

Kam signed a contract when he was one of the top strong safeties in the game. But we're here 2 years later and he's no longer one of the top guys, he is the guy that is way ahead by a considerable distance.

Now Chancellor is in the exact opposite scenario where he is definitely outplaying his contract. ".

I cut down the quote without altering the meaning (at least that is not my intention) but I want to zero in on these two things

1) It is not 2 years later. It is one played season under that contract. He has played one out of four years. 25%

He agreed to a $5million signing bonus - they forget about that money later

2) I am 100% with the players that WAY outperform their contract, but there isn't a guy in this league that makes $6million that is asked to take a cut to $5million and says yes. They can get the $6million elsewhere.

If you are making minimum and playing as an all-star or being paid like an all-star and playing like a minimum player then you get a new contract / get cut.

When you just signed a new contract that pays you fairly or CLOSE to fairly then you need to play more than one season.

 

[253hawk]

If Kam wanted to be the highest paid player on his team he should have been a QB rather than a SS.

DB's make the least amount of money on defense and barely make more per year on average than punters and kickers, but that's the way it is. They aren't in every play against 300-lb. linemen like the front seven.

 

[andyh64000]

1) It is not 2 years later. It is one played season under that contract. He has played one out of four years. 25%

It is 2 years later...he signed a 4 year extension but had to play the final year of his rookie deal.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I cut down the quote without altering the meaning (at least that is not my intention) but I want to zero in on these two things

1) It is not 2 years later. It is one played season under that contract. He has played one out of four years. 25%

He agreed to a $5million signing bonus - they forget about that money later

It is 2 years later. Look it up. Sherm and Earl got paid last season, Kam got paid the season before that. He has been playing under it for 2 seasons.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Very difficult player to replace, this isn't a justin smith or Borland loss , this is arguably the best defensive player in the NFL or at least in the conversation. To say this isn't gonna have a massive impact is an understatement. This guy can cover, play in the box. He's all over the field. I thought losing Anthony Davis for us was a big deal, I believe he's the best right tackle in he NFL but this really takes the cake. How you replace him is beyond me. It's gonna take a collective effort

 

[Cartire]

I cut down the quote without altering the meaning (at least that is not my intention) but I want to zero in on these two things

1) It is not 2 years later. It is one played season under that contract. He has played one out of four years. 25%

He agreed to a $5million signing bonus - they forget about that money later

It is 2 years later. Look it up. Sherm and Earl got paid last season, Kam got paid the season before that. He has been playing under it for 2 seasons.

Its a technicality. The contract EXTENSION went in effect last year even though he saw the signing bonus up front. Hes technically only played 1 year of his 4 year contract.

 

[DavidSeven]

I think what mikeak is saying is that Chancellor has only played one year of his current extension, which is true. Sherman and Thomas are both entering into the first years of their extensions. Sites like Sportrac show the last year of the previous contract because that is when the pro-rated bonus starts getting counted.

E: As Cartire said above.

 

[McGruff]

I wonder what happened to the motto about protecting the team? Fans can disparage Kam, but not sure I like the unamed player in this report:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13607128/seattle-seahawks-set-move-holdout-kam-chancellor

Said a teammate: "We will win without him, and it will hit him."

Smacks of the gossip about Wilson not being black enough. No need for this type of stuff leaking out of the locker room.

What are they supposed to say? "If Kam's not here, we're screwed!"

Pete has atught these guys to step up and move with supreme confidence. That's not a knock on Chancellor. That's a belief that the team is better and bigger than one player.

 

[kearly]

I wonder what happened to the motto about protecting the team? Fans can disparage Kam, but not sure I like the unamed player in this report:

Said a teammate: "We will win without him, and it will hit him."

Smacks of the gossip about Wilson not being black enough. No need for this type of stuff leaking out of the locker room.

I guess I had a different take on that quote. Kam has probably long decided that he's going to miss at least a few games, to see if the team struggles without him and becomes desperate. The team struggling at the start of the season is THE ONLY conceivable leverage that Kam could possibly have.

I took the teammate quote to mean that Seattle will start the season off well, and it will occur to Kam that his only chance for leverage never materialized.

 

[drdiags]

What are they supposed to say? "If Kam's not here, we're screwed!"

.

How about the Bill OBrien school of keep your yapper shut? Novel concept but maybe stay out of a management/player dispute?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

If Kam wanted to be the highest paid player on his team he should have been a QB rather than a SS.

DB's make the least amount of money on defense and barely make more per year on average than punters and kickers, but that's the way it is. They aren't in every play against 300-lb. linemen like the front seven.

Safeties make the least amount of money, not DB's. Six of the top 50 players are DB's.

On top of that, strong safeties make less than free safeties.........mainly due to the spread offense 80% of offenses throwing it 50 times a game makes the strong safety less valuable because teams are in nickel and dime coverage most of the time negating the run stopping ability of the strong safety.

Kam's certainly an exception, but the truth remains he's delusional in thinking he deserves to be paid as much a Earl or other top free safeties.

 

[jake206]

http://www.king5.com/story/sports/n...-no-interest-trading-kam-chancellor/71869626/

What if Kam sits out the entire season??...

 

[McGruff]

What are they supposed to say? "If Kam's not here, we're screwed!"

.

How about the Bill OBrien school of keep your yapper shut? Novel concept but maybe stay out of a management/player dispute?

Its not just a management/player dispute at this point. It ceased to be just a management/player dispute as soon as the preseason ended. Now Its a meaningful game on Sunday. A game they think they can win with or without Kam.

I think the players support one another in the offseason, but a the switch flips as soon as the games count.

 

[DavidSeven]

I wonder what happened to the motto about protecting the team? Fans can disparage Kam, but not sure I like the unamed player in this report:

I mean, it's unnamed sources so it's all hearsay. Werder could have pulled the quote out of his rear or even been instructed by Seahawks management to attribute it to a player.

Hard for me to come down on anyone with this sort of thing, especially after it seemed certain reporters were inventing a lot of quotes for the Wilson and Lynch dramas last year (though I'm sure there were elements of truth to it).

 

[Fade]

Now Chancellor is in the exact opposite scenario where he is definitely outplaying his contract. Yes, it's a nice average earner at $7m a year, but look at the top SS contracts, guys like Donte Whitner, Reshad Jones, Aaron Williams and Morgan Burnett are all getting paid $6m plus a year. Ask yourself, if you could trade straight up for one of these guys and clear Kam's salary off the books and pay one of these guys instead would you do it?

Now Rodgers is in the exact opposite scenario where he is definitely outplaying his contract. Yes, it's a nice average earner at $22m a year, but look at the top QB contracts, guys like RW, Big Ben, Cam Newton and Rivers are all getting paid $21m plus a year. Ask yourself, if you could trade straight up for one of these guys and clear Aaron's salary off the books and pay one of these guys instead would you do it?

Very clever what you did there!
Let me put it to you a different way, if you are the Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers chooses to hold out, do you pay him?
Next man up right??

So why isn't Aaron Rodgers holding out then?

Presumably he's happy enough making $22m a year. Kam Chancellor isn't happy making $7m a year. I'm not sure why you find this complicated

I'm just enjoying you damage control for Kam, and failing miserably at it. Kam has no argument when he is one of the highest paid at his position, or their would be top paid players at other positions holding out all over the league, that was my point.