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[pmedic920]

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Steelers' Aaron Rodgers Now Facing League Discipline After Controversial Post-Game Words Following Loss To Browns

The Pittsburgh Steelers had a division title within reach, but they may have just fumbled it away. Against a three-win Cleveland Browns team, the offense laid a massive egg, which

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Lol Rodgers

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Nah, it's Rodgers. They'll call him a hero.

 

[rjdriver]

Probably a $15k or $25k fine. About half what he makes per snap.

 

[AROS]

More importantly, the officials have been total ass and I am sick and tired of it. No accountability whatsoever. How dare you call them out? Thousands of dollars in fines.

Yet where are the repercussions for the officials? Human beings who in fact can and do alter outcomes of games on the regular.

The older I get, the more I think it’s rigged on SOME level. Maybe not Illuminati level but man, a level all the same.

The entire paradigm needs massive reform. No more part time officials. These people need to be full time, year-round NFL employees held to the same standards and scrutiny as the players and coaches. That includes fines when egregious bad calls take place that adversely affects the outcome of a game.

Yes I get it. Will never happen but it should happen.

Sorry Lon, didn’t mean to hijack the intention of the thread but it’s become a real sore spot and black eye to the sport I love.

 

[RiverDog]

I try not to get too hung up on the officiating, but I will admit that we ended up with the short of the stick last Sunday. I avoid bitching about it as it sounds too much like whining, like I can't accept reality and need something to blame my woes on.

They have improved the situation with their expedited review process, something I think they could expand on and correct some of the deficiencies, particularly as it concerns the pass interference penalties, which are the most difficult to call and involve some of the largest consequences. But I don't want to get to the point where everything is controlled by some sort of Eye in the Sky. It makes me feel too much like I'm in a George Orwell novel, for those of you who are as old as I am.

Bad officiating is part of the game.

 

[Cyrus12]

Rodgers is immunized against any type of punishment

 

[Hawkinaz]

Steelers had plenty of chances to beat Cleveland next time play better

 

[Wsumatt1982]

More importantly, the officials have been total ass and I am sick and tired of it. No accountability whatsoever. How dare you call them out? Thousands of dollars in fines.

Yet where are the repercussions for the officials? Human beings who in fact can and do alter outcomes of games on the regular.

The older I get, the more I think it’s rigged on SOME level. Maybe not Illuminati level but man, a level all the same.

The entire paradigm needs massive reform. No more part time officials. These people need to be full time, year-round NFL employees held to the same standards and scrutiny as the players and coaches. That includes fines when egregious bad calls take place that adversely affects the outcome of a game.

Yes I get it. Will never happen but it should happen.

Sorry Lon, didn’t mean to hijack the intention of the thread but it’s become a real sore spot and black eye to the sport I love.

My dad is head of the officiating association for Washington State. He controls High School football referee's for the entire state. He's been an official since 1972 and been the head since sometime in the early 2000's. He's had officials move up to college and one or two have gone to the pro's over the years. Craig Wrolstad is one that's he's known from over the years. He has told me that at the pro level an official can make $20,000 per game just for the regular season. It seems in a 18 game season they do pretty well for themselves as is.

 

[AROS]

My dad is head of the officiating association for Washington State. He controls High School football referee's for the entire state. He's been an official since 1972 and been the head since sometime in the early 2000's. He's had officials move up to college and one or two have gone to the pro's over the years. Craig Wrolstad is one that's he's known from over the years. He has told me that at the pro level an official can make $20,000 per game just for the regular season. It seems in a 18 game season they do pretty well for themselves as is.

Then it makes the situation even more disgusting.

 

[slateman77]

I try not to get too hung up on the officiating, but I will admit that we ended up with the short of the stick last Sunday. I avoid bitching about it as it sounds too much like whining, like I can't accept reality and need something to blame my woes on.

They have improved the situation with their expedited review process, something I think they could expand on and correct some of the deficiencies, particularly as it concerns the pass interference penalties, which are the most difficult to call and involve some of the largest consequences. But I don't want to get to the point where everything is controlled by some sort of Eye in the Sky. It makes me feel too much like I'm in a George Orwell novel, for those of you who are as old as I am.

Bad officiating is part of the game.

Well..Yeah..we're gonna have to live with bad calls but when a ref is 10 feet away and a player is horse collared and facemasked on the same play and he doesn't throw a flag even though he was staring right at it there's something else going on..!!!

 

[Torc]

I agree that we need full time officials. On top of that I think that full time officials open up more opportunities for replay to be involved. If you have a full-time officiating staff then you can have them PRACTICE the replay process. I know they look at more cameras than we get to on TV, but in 90% of these cases it's open and shut. No need for a 3-4 minute replay pause. Give the replay official a buzzer and let them notify the official that they're looking at a questionable call, and open up more types of calls to that process - penalties as well.

The idea is to get it right, right? You'd think with gambling involved that would be even more important.

 

[Cyrus12]

Like any job if your employee is doing a shitty job they are taken to task or even dismissed. The nfl doesn't do that so they must be happy with the refs doing what they are told to do.

 

[RiverDog]

Here's a thought, and please don't kill the messenger. How about we get the league entirely out of the officiating business and turn the entire thing over to the player's union? Whether or not they could do a better job, it would remove the accusations of the league manipulating games.

The object is to find a non-bias, completely neutral entity that understands the game to manage them.

 

[NoGain]

I was listening to an interesting debate about the PI rule. The debate was that the current spot-of-the-foul rule gives refs too much power in either deciding the outcomes or changing the momentum of games, especially on a call that has a certain degree of subjectivity/discretion to it. The debate was whether the NFL should make it a 10 or 15 yard penalty like it is in college. I know there are decent arguments on both sides of it, but I found myself slightly leaning toward changing the rule to a yardage penalty from the previous line of scrimmage, rather than a spot-of-the-foul penalty.

 

[RiverDog]

I was listening to an interesting debate about the PI rule. The debate was that the current spot-of-the-foul rule gives refs too much power in either deciding the outcomes or changing the momentum of games, especially on a call that has a certain degree of subjectivity/discretion to it. The debate was whether the NFL should make it a 10 or 15 yard penalty like it is in college. I know there are decent arguments on both sides of it, but I found myself slightly leaning toward changing the rule to a yardage penalty from the previous line of scrimmage, rather than a spot-of-the-foul penalty.

I don't like minimizing PI as I can imagine a receiver beating the secondary and a safety flat out tackling him knowing that a 10-15 yard penalty is better than a 60 yard TD pass. Maybe if they went with two different grades of PI, a ticky-tacky grade that's 5 yards and replay the down and an industrial strength PI that's a spot foul. Let the booth decide which penalty grade to assess.

 

[Torc]

I was listening to an interesting debate about the PI rule. The debate was that the current spot-of-the-foul rule gives refs too much power in either deciding the outcomes or changing the momentum of games, especially on a call that has a certain degree of subjectivity/discretion to it. The debate was whether the NFL should make it a 10 or 15 yard penalty like it is in college. I know there are decent arguments on both sides of it, but I found myself slightly leaning toward changing the rule to a yardage penalty from the previous line of scrimmage, rather than a spot-of-the-foul penalty.

I prefer a yardage penalty and an automatic first down. We already have defensive holding at 5 yards and a first down, so make the more severe PI 15 yards.

It's true that the DB is going to make a "business decision" that 15 yards is better than a 40 yard TD.....but I really hate games being decided by a pass that the QB KNOWS will never be completed but he's just hoping for a PI....and gets it. I really dislike the cheap yardage, more than I would dislike the intentional interference.

 

[NoGain]

I don't like minimizing PI as I can imagine a receiver beating the secondary and a safety flat out tackling him knowing that a 10-15 yard penalty is better than a 60 yard TD pass. Maybe if they went with two different grades of PI, a ticky-tacky grade that's 5 yards and replay the down and an industrial strength PI that's a spot foul. Let the booth decide which penalty grade to assess.

That was definitely the chief counterargument. But DB's who are beat before the ball is in the air and grab and hold only get a five yard penalty against them and the team gets a first down. Also, PI not only isn't reviewable, but it's often very much a discretionary call, as in sometimes it's called and sometimes it isn't, and this puts the refs in a position where they can play an oversized role in deciding the outcome of a game.

I've watched a lot of college ball and I haven't really noticed a lot of what the counterarguments were alarmed about. I'm also a little disturbed by how much the rules keep evolving to give the advantage to the offenses. It's getting so damn hard to play defense these days.

 

[soxhawk]

Don't get why so many here ride Rodger's jock so hard. We're like the only team that's owned him in his career and still there's posts whining about him...in spite of the refs too! How about acting like we're his boss (like we are)?

 

[pmedic920]

More importantly, the officials have been total ass and I am sick and tired of it. No accountability whatsoever. How dare you call them out? Thousands of dollars in fines.

Yet where are the repercussions for the officials? Human beings who in fact can and do alter outcomes of games on the regular.

The older I get, the more I think it’s rigged on SOME level. Maybe not Illuminati level but man, a level all the same.

The entire paradigm needs massive reform. No more part time officials. These people need to be full time, year-round NFL employees held to the same standards and scrutiny as the players and coaches. That includes fines when egregious bad calls take place that adversely affects the outcome of a game.

Yes I get it. Will never happen but it should happen.

Sorry Lon, didn’t mean to hijack the intention of the thread but it’s become a real sore spot and black eye to the sport I love.

It’s simply part of the evolution process of a conversation.

No apologies necessary

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Nobody in THAT organization, out of all 32, ever gets to complain about officiating.