Report: Hawks Players Don't Think RW is Black Enough

[HawkWow]

I just re-read Wilson's scouting report. Nowhere did it say "not black enough" so I'm calling BS on the whole thing.

 

[dontbelikethat]

I just re-read Wilson's scouting report. Nowhere did it say "not black enough" so I'm calling BS on the whole thing.

No...it's there on page 4. How did the FO miss this!?!?!

Fire Bevell.

 

[JSeahawks]

I just re-read Wilson's scouting report. Nowhere did it say "not black enough" so I'm calling BS on the whole thing.

No...it's there on page 4. How did the FO miss this!?!?!

Fire Bevell.

That fine print was pretty tough to see underneath the giant "HE'S TOO SHORT!!!!" Notation.

 

[HawkWow]

I just re-read Wilson's scouting report. Nowhere did it say "not black enough" so I'm calling BS on the whole thing.

No...it's there on page 4. How did the FO miss this!?!?!

Fire Bevell.

Despite the constant comparison, I never hear anyone saying Fran Tarkenton wasn't black enough.

 

[HawkWow]

I just re-read Wilson's scouting report. Nowhere did it say "not black enough" so I'm calling BS on the whole thing.

No...it's there on page 4. How did the FO miss this!?!?!

Fire Bevell.

That fine print was pretty tough to see underneath the giant "HE'S TOO SHORT!!!!" Notation.

Ahhhh, that reminds me, when drafted I did throw my hat across the room, yelling
"HE'S NOT TALL ENOUGH".

We all know black people are tall so maybe I was just way ahead on this thing.

 

[pocketprotector]

It's not racism. It's called being a human.

As if being racist is not a natural human tendency. Very little comes more naturally to us than racism. It is only through culture and education and philosophy that we cut through the ignorance and overcome our natural shortcomings. And make no mistake about it, saying that Wilson is not black enough is extremely ignorant.

 

[ZorntoLargent]

So the players want him to act differently than he was raised? Like say, this guy does?

 

[NJSeahawk]

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Wilson listens to this nonstop, everyday.

Seriously, can't believe this is is an issue.

 

[endzorn]

Maybe Wilson should watch the movie Soul Man. C. Thomas Howell figured out how to be more black.

 

[HansGruber]

like everything else around the Harvin story, it is mostly being fabricated by the media

LOL! You know this how?

Because that is how the modern sports media works. Truths are exaggerated and rumors are completely fabricated because there is often no way to completely disprove those things. And it is an entertainment business so they don't care if it's true or not, just get the clicks and views.

For evidence of this, see the Lynch stories which turned out to be completely false. Another good example is the Kaepernick "rape" story which also included tons of side info from "sources", all of which turned out to be completely fabricated. Then the stuff about Harbaugh, which the 49ers and York said was all fabricated.

I don't believe anything attributed to "sources" reported by sports media because there have been a huge list of stories recently attributed to anonymous sources which turned out later to be completely false.

Baldwin and Lynch are already debunking things attributed to them

 

[Popeyejones]

First, a huge disclaimer: I'm going to proceed as if these reports are true, and as if they actually matter. The first assumption is whatever, but the second is a load and a laugher. In terms of the Hawks' performance (and performance moving forward) I seriously doubt any of this matters. A fair number of .net posters cackled and predicted imminent doom while 9ers fans were hearing reports of internal strife earlier this year. That was dumb. It would be dumb to do the same with these reports, regardless of fandom. Again, even if true I seriously doubt if any of this matters re: the Hawks' on-field performance

Thoughts on the topic of RW dissension:


A) Although less salacious, that RW 1) is perceived as being too close to the suits and 2) won't internally take the blame for his mistakes (while presenting himself as St. Russell in the media) are much more telling about what (if anything) is going on.

B) While these claims can sometimes be true of QBs (the former in particular; the latter I've heard about Peyton, but you don't usually here it), they tend to be made about QBs who are the the unequivocal leaders of their respective teams. They're not only the face of the franchise, but the gameplan goes through them, and their stats are what drives victories. RW can't make any of those claims (yet), making him being "too close" to the suits or not taking blame a little bit more insidious of an accustation.

C) This report probably provides some insight into ADB's tweet about people presenting "fake" images in the media; St. Russell in the media doesn't match the behind the scenes guy who blames his WRs or OLine for his own mistakes.


Thoughts on the actual topic of the thread:


1. I don't know why SonicHawk is so inclined to keep on falling on his own sword (maybe he's just more optimistic than I), but people should listen to him. He's spot on in this thread over and over again. He's referenced possibly getting temp-banned for what he's posting, but that would be crazy. IMO he's showing a ton of patience actually answering the typical rhetorical bait-questions that are regularly used as a tool by some to prevent actuall discussion of these types of issues (see? I'm MUCH more pessimistic than him :lol: ).

2. As was said previously, simply reducing this to how RW speaks is entirely missing the point of the claim (which I'm not saying is a legitimate claim about RW or generally). It has much more to do with #1 and #2 (from above) than that. By way of example, Sherman grew up solidly middle class (albeit in a poor neighborhood), went to Stanford, and speaks textbook English as well as anybody. He's not getting accused of this, though. Rather than being "too close to the suits", he called out the NFL this summer for their tone deaf penalization of the "N" word b/n AA players on the field.* Long story short, seriously, this claim REALLY isn't about grammar and usage. It is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more complicated than that.

3.

I'm entertained by the likelihood that most of the people playing the race card in this thread are white.

It's ALWAYS that way, just as it's ALWAYS the people who take the bait and respond seriously who are somehow treated as "politicizing" the thread and are at risk of getting warnings and bans.** It's as ridiculous as it is common.


*Like this, another conversation that's internal to the AA community which the vast majority of media and NFL fans are somehow mostly tone deaf too. It's a tension between the AA middle-upper and lower-working classes that's over 100 years old in the U.S. (e.g. the debates between W.E.B. Dubois and Booker T. Washington in the 19th century :lol: )

****Not saying here in particular, just saying across the Internet generally

 

[StoneCold]

Russell Presser and he gets asked if he's black enough?

Reporter: Is there any truth to the a rumor going around that some of the players don't think you're black enough and is that a problem.

Russell Wilson: It's a huge problem, but every problem is an opportunity to improve. I'm not black enough. I try to work on it, but it starts with my hair. It's just not kinky and there aren't any products that help with that. I've tried, believe me I'm always about improving. I've watched a ton of film. I've probably seen Shaft 100 times, but I can't get that walk and some of the words just sound funny coming out of my mouth. Like, Hey homey! (room explodes with laughter). See. It's definitely a problem.

SC

 

[pehawk]

Russell Presser and he gets asked if he's black enough?

Reporter: Is there any truth to the a rumor going around that some of the players don't think you're black enough and is that a problem.

Russell Wilson: It's a huge problem, but every problem is an opportunity to improve. I'm not black enough. I try to work on it, but it starts with my hair. It's just not kinky and there aren't any products that help with that. I've tried, believe me I'm always about improving. I've watched a ton of film. I've probably seen Shaft 100 times, but I can't get that walk and some of the words just sound funny coming out of my mouth. Like, Hey homey! (room explodes with laughter). See. It's definitely a problem.

SC

Meh, ya know, not bad. 2.5 Stars. It certainly hasn't topped Cartire or 5 Golden Rings.

 

[volsunghawk]

Russ needs to take some tips from Wayne Brady.

 

[aawolf]

Russell Presser and he gets asked if he's black enough?

Reporter: Is there any truth to the a rumor going around that some of the players don't think you're black enough and is that a problem.

Russell Wilson: It's a huge problem, but every problem is an opportunity to improve. I'm not black enough. I try to work on it, but it starts with my hair. It's just not kinky and there aren't any products that help with that. I've tried, believe me I'm always about improving. I've watched a ton of film. I've probably seen Shaft 100 times, but I can't get that walk and some of the words just sound funny coming out of my mouth. Like, Hey homey! (room explodes with laughter). See. It's definitely a problem.

SC

LOL. It reminds me of that Wayne Brady sketch on the Chappelle Show: picture him saying, "Does Russell Wilson have to slap a bitch?"

 

[Sgt. Largent]

LOL. It reminds me of that Wayne Brady sketch on the Chappelle Show: picture him saying, "Does Russell Wilson have to slap a bitch?"

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Nicely written article by ex player Carl Banks on this

https://medium.com/the-cauldron/blackwa ... d4fe07ce3c

 

[daveca5150]

Nicely written article by ex player Carl Banks on this

https://medium.com/the-cauldron/blackwa ... d4fe07ce3c

Great article. Being an educator, I've been dealing with issues of race on multiple levels (students, parents, other teachers, state and district policy) for 12 years. I hadn't really thought about race as it pertains to the NFL.

I hope these rumors are overstated and I have a feeling they are.

 

[HawkWow]

like everything else around the Harvin story, it is mostly being fabricated by the media

LOL! You know this how?

Because that is how the modern sports media works. Truths are exaggerated and rumors are completely fabricated because there is often no way to completely disprove those things. And it is an entertainment business so they don't care if it's true or not, just get the clicks and views.

For evidence of this, see the Lynch stories which turned out to be completely false. Another good example is the Kaepernick "rape" story which also included tons of side info from "sources", all of which turned out to be completely fabricated. Then the stuff about Harbaugh, which the 49ers and York said was all fabricated.

I don't believe anything attributed to "sources" reported by sports media because there have been a huge list of stories recently attributed to anonymous sources which turned out later to be completely false.

Baldwin and Lynch are already debunking things attributed to them

Not to be argumentative, but I don't recall the media jumping all over Kap and accusing him of rape. I could be wrong, but I recall them reporting the chick said she'd been drinking and had sex with Kaep several times before, and that he was in bed with her but got up and left. She continued that Lockette, the speedy bugger, peaked on her from outside a semi closed door. Reading those reports suggested to me rape was not the case at all and it seemed the media, even needing and wanting the story, was pretty fair about it.

Harvin's deeds were super well documented and I never heard anyone coming out and saying it was all BS, he didn't attack Childress or Rodriguez and the Frazier incident we watched live on TV.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

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