ivotuk":1w49oewx said:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_40YHWwh7Eo
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hawknation2018":1ij4ga5o said:Penny benefited more from his offensive line than any RB except for Bo Scarbrough. Part of that was San Diego having a very good run blocking offensive line, and part of that was the competition he faced.
Penny has really good vision, and his is pretty good at setting up his blocks. He kind of reminds me a bit of Shaun Alexander in that way. He is patient, and he is deceptive in everything he does. He doesn't look elusive, but people have a hard time getting both hands around him. He makes subtle, little moves that are hard to catch, sort of like Shaun Alexander did. Players think they are getting the right angle, and all of the sudden they are grasping at air. He also has a wicked cutback, and a nice second gear that comes on without many noticing.chris98251":em9ke581 said:A hole is a hole, doesn't matter what your team ranking is, can you hit it and can you accelerate to gain yards. Penny's biggest challenge will be the speed of the NFL game and angles players will take to cut him off. All he has to do is run like someone wants to take his wallet once he gets thru the hole. He has the kind of speed needed, just will need to get used to everyone else having speed also. That and a refusal to go down at first contact.
Recon_Hawk":s4yjfl43 said:hawknation2018":s4yjfl43 said:Penny benefited more from his offensive line than any RB except for Bo Scarbrough. Part of that was San Diego having a very good run blocking offensive line, and part of that was the competition he faced.
Every SDS fan I've head talk about Penny and their Oline has said it was Penny who made the offensive line look good, not the other way around.
SDSU’s offensive line had four new starters going into 2017 which included two redshirt freshman, a sophomore, a junior, and one senior. They were very young and very inexperienced.
Those games that Penny didn't have his usualy 150+ yard running games, his Oline got CRUSHED. Go rewatch the Boise State game and tell me that the offensive was doing their job.
This isn't even considering that the SDS QB was junk, so defense only had one priority. Stop Penny.
CamanoIslandJQ":30sv09jo said:Why did the National media ignore Penny's stats before the draft? IF, I were an NFL scout and was tasked with valuation of a RB class, I'd START with the leading NCAA rusher and work my way down the list. SDST isn't a powerhouse team, but I'd point out the New Orleans selection of Davenport came at the cost of two 1-st round picks, Texas-SA is an even lesser powerhouse than SDST and Davenport is very much more of a developmental player (without top NCAA stats). Nobody seems to be bashing N.O. much for their "REACH", but they should be. Penny was simply given the "Rodney Dangerfield" treatment due to a perceived "level of competition" tag from media idiots that didn't even watch his tape?
That is what I'd call a very poor evaluation effort by some extremely lazy & incompetent scouts & media "experts".
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Not really seeing it. I've watched a lot of videos, and tape on Penny. He uses angles, and a deceptive acceleration. People never really able to square up on him. It is as if they are surprised by how fast he is able to take off. The thing about Penny is he doesn't look very fast.... That is until you see DB's falling behind him, even then he still looks like he is not going fast, but he is. A lot of pundits were actually surprised at his 40. That same deceptive speed is what really confuses defenders that are looking to square up on him, it's the same thing Alexander did, as well as Arian Foster. He is hard to square up on, and I think he will be like that too in the NFL. That being said, when defenders were able to square up on him he went down disturbingly easily. This will happen more in the NFL. It wasn't due to his lack of effort either, he simply doesn't look to have much bulk in the lower body. That can be fixed with conditioning. The other thing is an upright running style, he doesn't get much leverage on defenders. That also can be fixed with coaching.Russ Willstrong":1y12xy1h said:Hard to believe SDSU O line was that dominant when you watch the Boise State game.
BTW does anyone credit the O line for Penny's return yards also?
Sam's account that he is often barely touched based off those few plays from his highlight reel is insane.
Penny runs through arm tackles as he should. He does truck guys and drags a linebacker five yards but will go down easily at times because he is human. He knows when to save his body and has remained healthy.
I'm not a Penny follower but I'm excited for this team. I think this kid is as talented as Percy Harvin was but without the headcase and media hype. Love it.
Penny had been silently rising up the boards the other running backs had injury concerns, or whatever Guices situation was/is. I've been hearing murmurs about him being involved in an incident that could embarrass the league. Penny had a strong Combine and Senior Bowl which really shot him up the boards. I think at the NCAA's season end people had him as a third rounder. He came out, and really blew away everyone's expectations during the Senior Bowl, and Combine. He tested way higher in both of these events than people thought he would.Sgt. Largent":3pkfciw0 said:CamanoIslandJQ":3pkfciw0 said:Why did the National media ignore Penny's stats before the draft? IF, I were an NFL scout and was tasked with valuation of a RB class, I'd START with the leading NCAA rusher and work my way down the list. SDST isn't a powerhouse team, but I'd point out the New Orleans selection of Davenport came at the cost of two 1-st round picks, Texas-SA is an even lesser powerhouse than SDST and Davenport is very much more of a developmental player (without top NCAA stats). Nobody seems to be bashing N.O. much for their "REACH", but they should be. Penny was simply given the "Rodney Dangerfield" treatment due to a perceived "level of competition" tag from media idiots that didn't even watch his tape?
That is what I'd call a very poor evaluation effort by some extremely lazy & incompetent scouts & media "experts".
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The national media ignored Penny because he played in the Mountain West with zero national game exposure.
But from us and multiple other teams interested in Penny for their first round pick, there's no doubt teams and scouts weren't sleeping on him.
Any RB in this era of football where RB's have been diminished due to pass heavy offenses selected in the first round tells you that no one was sleeping on him, even if most of us hadn't hear much, or anything about Penny prior to the draft.
Spin Doctor":g8a5h54t said:Not really seeing it. I've watched a lot of videos, and tape on Penny. He uses angles, and a deceptive acceleration. People never really able to square up on him. It is as if they are surprised by how fast he is able to take off. The thing about Penny is he doesn't look very fast.... That is until you see DB's falling behind him, even then he still looks like he is not going fast, but he is. A lot of pundits were actually surprised at his 40. That same deceptive speed is what really confuses defenders that are looking to square up on him, it's the same thing Alexander did, as well as Arian Foster. He is hard to square up on, and I think he will be like that too in the NFL. That being said, when defenders were able to square up on him he went down disturbingly easily. This will happen more in the NFL. It wasn't due to his lack of effort either, he simply doesn't look to have much bulk in the lower body. That can be fixed with conditioning. The other thing is an upright running style, he doesn't get much leverage on defenders. That also can be fixed with coaching.Russ Willstrong":g8a5h54t said:Hard to believe SDSU O line was that dominant when you watch the Boise State game.
BTW does anyone credit the O line for Penny's return yards also?
Sam's account that he is often barely touched based off those few plays from his highlight reel is insane.
Penny runs through arm tackles as he should. He does truck guys and drags a linebacker five yards but will go down easily at times because he is human. He knows when to save his body and has remained healthy.
I'm not a Penny follower but I'm excited for this team. I think this kid is as talented as Percy Harvin was but without the headcase and media hype. Love it.
As for the Percy Harvin comparison, not even close -- two different skill sets. He is more of an Arian Foster sort of player, only faster.
Please enlighten me about their differences.Spin Doctor":1tt1uhsb said:...Russ Willstrong":1tt1uhsb said:Hard to believe SDSU O line was that dominant when you watch the Boise State game.
BTW does anyone credit the O line for Penny's return yards also?
Sam's account that he is often barely touched based off those few plays from his highlight reel is insane.
Penny runs through arm tackles as he should. He does truck guys and drags a linebacker five yards but will go down easily at times because he is human. He knows when to save his body and has remained healthy.
I'm not a Penny follower but I'm excited for this team. I think this kid is as talented as Percy Harvin was but without the headcase and media hype. Love it.
As for the Percy Harvin comparison, not even close -- two different skill sets. He is more of an Arian Foster sort of player, only faster.
They don't even have similar running styles, Harvin was used as a slasher type of player. He spent a good half of his time out at wide receiver, even at Flordia. Harvin was viewed as more of a WR prospect than a RB prospect, and he spent most of his time lined out wide in the NFL. When Harvin did run he looked to bounce it outside, and attack from the edges. Penny is a north and south runner, he can bounce it to the outside, but generally he likes to go up the gut if he can. He is also a very patient runner, something that Harvin never showcased in college. Penny is also has about 20 pounds on Harvin, and has a bigger frame than him as well.Russ Willstrong":3tuo6zur said:Please enlighten me about their differences.Spin Doctor":3tuo6zur said:...Russ Willstrong":3tuo6zur said:Hard to believe SDSU O line was that dominant when you watch the Boise State game.
BTW does anyone credit the O line for Penny's return yards also?
Sam's account that he is often barely touched based off those few plays from his highlight reel is insane.
Penny runs through arm tackles as he should. He does truck guys and drags a linebacker five yards but will go down easily at times because he is human. He knows when to save his body and has remained healthy.
I'm not a Penny follower but I'm excited for this team. I think this kid is as talented as Percy Harvin was but without the headcase and media hype. Love it.
As for the Percy Harvin comparison, not even close -- two different skill sets. He is more of an Arian Foster sort of player, only faster.
I admit I dont know much about Penny but he does have a similar upright running style to Harvin in college. It appears he can catch and is a phenomenal returner too.
I understand Harvin is a receiver in the NFL but In college Harvin often lined up in the backfield. He wasn't a true receiver and it appeared he never mastered the route tree. Both are great returners and appears to be home-run hitters.
hawknation2018":n7phl55z said:Recon_Hawk":n7phl55z said:hawknation2018":n7phl55z said:Penny benefited more from his offensive line than any RB except for Bo Scarbrough. Part of that was San Diego having a very good run blocking offensive line, and part of that was the competition he faced.
Every SDS fan I've head talk about Penny and their Oline has said it was Penny who made the offensive line look good, not the other way around.
SDSU’s offensive line had four new starters going into 2017 which included two redshirt freshman, a sophomore, a junior, and one senior. They were very young and very inexperienced.
Those games that Penny didn't have his usualy 150+ yard running games, his Oline got CRUSHED. Go rewatch the Boise State game and tell me that the offensive was doing their job.
This isn't even considering that the SDS QB was junk, so defense only had one priority. Stop Penny.
SDSU's offensive line averaged the second most YARDS BLOCKED PER SNAP in the country. They were really bad in pass protection, which the why the *mod edit* would consider them a "bad offensive line," giving Penny all the credit.
This video touches on what I'm talking about:
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