RB's, we need to draft 2

[chris98251]

Ok maybe tongue and cheek, but look at this.

Penny - on IR start of season Knee
Carson injured - Toe and Knee out a few games.
Scarbrough - Injured on IR
Collins - on PS now but injured Shoulder
Hyde - Injured Shoulder missed games
Dallas - Ankle, looks to be out for a while
Homer - Knee on IR
Carr - ok no impact really but on IR

Needless to say, go thru RB's a lot, I am glad we have Penny, Carson, Hyde right now at the right time with Collins able to be pulled up and now knowing the offense.

But this is why we don't cut, let go, trade our RB's, we cycle thru healthy to banged up to IR like a person who drives a MG Midget. Cool little car, when right is fun, but they always seemed to break down and not run right a lot.

 

[TypeSly]

I wouldn't count on them drafting two. If they draft one, it would be a late rounder. I could see them hunting down potential UDFA's though. Fortunately, RB's are the easiest postition to fill, especially without spending early round draft picks.

 

[HawkinNY]

I think we also need to start drafting a QB for the future. I just don’t think we can afford Russell and still have a good team. So get a young guy to mold and maybe we won’t feel the loss as bad. Today smith could have won’t the game with the way Russ was playing.


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[chris98251]

I think we also need to start drafting a QB for the future. I just don’t think we can afford Russell and still have a good team. So get a young guy to mold and maybe we won’t feel the loss as bad. Today smith could have won’t the game with the way Russ was playing.


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Stay on topic this isn't a QB thread !!!

 

[chris98251]

I wouldn't count on them drafting two. If they draft one, it would be a late rounder. I could see them hunting down potential UDFA's though. Fortunately, RB's are the easiest postition to fill, especially without spending early round draft picks.

As I said Tongue and Cheek,

I think drafting at least one though that is good between the tackles and physical almost every year is a must for this team, we put a lot of mileage quickly on our backs.

Then go early into F.A. and get legit guys to fill depth, we were fortunate with getting Hyde this year, but look at the guys on IR now, that's a lot from one position.

 

[LTH]

Ok maybe tongue and cheek, but look at this.

Penny - on IR start of season Knee
Carson injured - Toe and Knee out a few games.
Scarbrough - Injured on IR
Collins - on PS now but injured Shoulder
Hyde - Injured Shoulder missed games
Dallas - Ankle, looks to be out for a while
Homer - Knee on IR
Carr - ok no impact really but on IR

Needless to say, go thru RB's a lot, I am glad we have Penny, Carson, Hyde right now at the right time with Collins able to be pulled up and now knowing the offense.

But this is why we don't cut, let go, trade our RB's, we cycle thru healthy to banged up to IR like a person who drives a MG Midget. Cool little car, when right is fun, but they always seemed to break down and not run right a lot.

I see this as JS looking REALLY GOOD!!! The Seahawks just put 181 yards on the best D line in football... and didn't even break a sweat...this run game is popping right now...

After the Jets beat the Rams we are looking really good to win the division...


LTH

 

[IndyHawk]

I think we also need to start drafting a QB for the future. I just don’t think we can afford Russell and still have a good team. So get a young guy to mold and maybe we won’t feel the loss as bad. Today smith could have won’t the game with the way Russ was playing.


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Stay on topic this isn't a QB thread !!!

:lol: :lol: :34853_doh:
I think we go undfa and fa route..
Get rid of Homer/Dallas and simply replace.

 

[Elemas]

I expect to have 2 of the 3 back. Maybe all three. Penny will find his groove. They'll use him sparingly until he's settled.

Imagine having all three through next season? Limited carries for each. Fresh legs. Less injuries. Longevity. This may be the best possible scenario for CC and Hyde considering they're getting "old".

Weird timing of this post though...we just shredded a stout defensive line and made Young and Sweat miss quite a bit.

 

[MrThortan]

I don't necessarily oppose resigning Hyde if the price is right. He is getting up there in years at 30 though. Not sure the exact number, but I don't think we have many draft picks this year.

 

[chris98251]

I expect to have 2 of the 3 back. Maybe all three. Penny will find his groove. They'll use him sparingly until he's settled.

Imagine having all three through next season? Limited carries for each. Fresh legs. Less injuries. Longevity. This may be the best possible scenario for CC and Hyde considering they're getting "old".

Weird timing of this post though...we just shredded a stout defensive line and made Young and Sweat miss quite a bit.

But lost another RB with an injury, would like to know how bad Dallas is hurt, he has been contributing.

 

[Spin Doctor]

I fully agree, Chris. I do know that the Seahawks were looking closely at Jonathon Taylor, and had Brooks been taken he very well may have been our first pick.

I believe we need to move on from every single one of our running backs. Keep Penny for the duration of his rookie deal, but look to replace him, let Carson walk. Penny and Carson have proven they have the inability to stay healthy.

 

[chris98251]

I fully agree, Chris. I do know that the Seahawks were looking closely at Jonathon Taylor, and had Brooks been taken he very well may have been our first pick.

I believe we need to move on from every single one of our running backs. Keep Penny for the duration of his rookie deal, but look to replace him, let Carson walk. Penny and Carson have proven they have the inability to stay healthy.

I don't think it is the backs, I think it is our scheme, we rarely have down field protection except big runs, we have our guys go for a location and make a cut and go, no full back. That means the RB takes a lot more hits from guys with speed to load up on them from LB's and Safety's.

Just go back and look at how many injuries our RB's have had over Pete's coaching tenure here, Lynch was the most durable but he was even bouncing in and out of the line up from dings and his back a lot.

 

[Elemas]

I expect to have 2 of the 3 back. Maybe all three. Penny will find his groove. They'll use him sparingly until he's settled.

Imagine having all three through next season? Limited carries for each. Fresh legs. Less injuries. Longevity. This may be the best possible scenario for CC and Hyde considering they're getting "old".

Weird timing of this post though...we just shredded a stout defensive line and made Young and Sweat miss quite a bit.

But lost another RB with an injury, would like to know how bad Dallas is hurt, he has been contributing.

I hope he's ok. I don't think he's talented enough to crack our top 3 but, he's also a rookie and is learning. Certainly too early to pass judgment.

I never saw the replay of his injury. Anyone know what happened?

 

[nwHawk]

Dallas was injured on special teams. One might argue that having a variety of good to very good backs is better than having one bell cow these days. Rotate to keep guys fresh and healthy. Without the injuries, Carson is an absolute beast. With the Pete I would expect a running back drafted almost every year.

 

[themunn]

I think we also need to start drafting a QB for the future. I just don’t think we can afford Russell and still have a good team. So get a young guy to mold and maybe we won’t feel the loss as bad. Today smith could have won’t the game with the way Russ was playing.


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We've won 10 games and in the playoffs with 2 to spare, this is a good team!!

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

Ok maybe tongue and cheek, but look at this.

Penny - on IR start of season Knee
Carson injured - Toe and Knee out a few games.
Scarbrough - Injured on IR
Collins - on PS now but injured Shoulder
Hyde - Injured Shoulder missed games
Dallas - Ankle, looks to be out for a while
Homer - Knee on IR
Carr - ok no impact really but on IR

Needless to say, go thru RB's a lot, I am glad we have Penny, Carson, Hyde right now at the right time with Collins able to be pulled up and now knowing the offense.

But this is why we don't cut, let go, trade our RB's, we cycle thru healthy to banged up to IR like a person who drives a MG Midget. Cool little car, when right is fun, but they always seemed to break down and not run right a lot.

I wish we can draft a guy like Derrick Henry.

That guy is a monster.

You see his stiff arms?

Sheesh!

Super grown man, right there!

The guy is just built different!

 

[getnasty]

Ok maybe tongue and cheek, but look at this.

Penny - on IR start of season Knee
Carson injured - Toe and Knee out a few games.
Scarbrough - Injured on IR
Collins - on PS now but injured Shoulder
Hyde - Injured Shoulder missed games
Dallas - Ankle, looks to be out for a while
Homer - Knee on IR
Carr - ok no impact really but on IR

Needless to say, go thru RB's a lot, I am glad we have Penny, Carson, Hyde right now at the right time with Collins able to be pulled up and now knowing the offense.

But this is why we don't cut, let go, trade our RB's, we cycle thru healthy to banged up to IR like a person who drives a MG Midget. Cool little car, when right is fun, but they always seemed to break down and not run right a lot.

I wish we can draft a guy like Derrick Henry.

That guy is a monster.

You see his stiff arms?

Sheesh!

Super grown man, right there!

The guy is just built different!

Yeah lets just draft another Derrick Henry. My guess is we let Carson walk and draft another RB but i doubt 2 of them.

 

[olyfan63]

Jonathan Taylor would have been a perfect fit here, he's been terrific for Indy. It's OK, though, LB Jordyn Brooks will ball out for us over his career. I think we could draft a RB with our top pick, which is what, a 2nd or 3rd rounder, if there is a Jonathan Taylor level of back available. After that, for sure we will use a later-round choice on an overlooked RB, like we hit on with Carson and Thomas Rawls in past drafts, and hope we hit the jackpot.

We don't really *need* to draft another high round RB, as we still have Penny on his rookie contract for another year, but we will need to use some cap to keep Carson and/or Hyde.

DJ Dallas is an important back in our scheme, because he does it all fairly well, not as good a runner as Carson, not as explosive as Penny, but "almost" as good a runner as Hyde. He is, however, very good as a receiver and 3rd down back, and a good enough runner to be the featured back and keep defenses honest when our best runners aren't available. Homer, sadly, isn't a good enough runner to say that about him.

 

[olyfan63]

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I don't think it is the backs, I think it is our scheme, we rarely have down field protection except big runs, we have our guys go for a location and make a cut and go, no full back. That means the RB takes a lot more hits from guys with speed to load up on them from LB's and Safety's.

Just go back and look at how many injuries our RB's have had over Pete's coaching tenure here, Lynch was the most durable but he was even bouncing in and out of the line up from dings and his back a lot.

I just wanted to say what a great point this excerpt from Chris's post is.

Remember the last time the Hawks offense truly used fullbacks? It seems like it's been about 5 years and more; I remember Mike Rob, but I'll be darned if I can name another Seahawks fullback since then, not counting any" why are we carrying this guy on the roster when we never use FBs" guys. Without Mack-Truck-built FBs absorbing some of the fully-loaded hits, it's our sports-car running backs taking all the hits from those 250 lb, 4.5 in the 40 blitzing linebackers, and they're just not really built to take those hits 40 times a game. Thus the ongoing RB injuries.

I have to believe Pete and John *fully* understand this, and remember the pain of entering the playoffs with NO healthy running backs and having to pull Marshawn off the retirement scrap heap just to have any RB at all, so now they plan around a rotation of RBs sharing the load rather than a feature bell-cow RB, and hope they have at least a couple healthy each game.

Heck, I remember one practice as a 110 lb 7th grade RB, I was brought up to the 8th grade team to serve as the "featured" back against the much bigger 8th grade team's defense, most weighing 150-200 lbs, and got 20-ish carries or so. What a pounding that was! I was so sore the next day. In hindsight, the 8th grade coach was trying avoid getting his 8th grade RBs beaten up, and I was scout team RB cannon fodder that day.

So it would seem to be common sense Pete and John will consistently take a flyer on multiple mid-late RB bodies, and hope to hit on a few, which we absolutely have over the years.

Thank you Chris, for pointing out the common-sense-obvious-in-hindsight tidbit about Seahawks RBs.

* I'd argue that Pete and John take the same approach to DBs, just trying to have enough healthy NFL-level DB bodies to avoid another SB49 Tharald "Toast" Simon scenario. Hence their brilliant move to bring in DJ Reid who is paying massive dividends right now.

 

[AgentDib]

We have a ton of RB injuries but I don't buy that it is higher than league average. NFL RBs just have really short injury prone careers these days.

Go down the injury list today and look how many RBs league wide were out today; CMC, Zeke, Mixon, Barkely, Montgomery, Mostert, Conner, Perine, Huntley, Foreman, Freeman, Ingram, Gaskin, Yeldon, Burkhead, Armstead, Mack, Williams, Prosise(!), Cohen, Pierce, Jones, Logan, Miller, Love among others. And that doesn't count the hundred guys on long-term IR who are no longer on their teams injury reports.

What we've seen with Penny is that even trying to draft a guy based on durability provides little in the way of guarantees.

Adding multiple RBs every off-season looks like a good idea for every team including ours.