Qb giving himself up by diving?

[UK_Seahawk]

Is that still the rule?

 

[kidhawk]

Is that still the rule?

I believe it’s only giving up when it’s a feet first slide.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

I believe it’s only giving up when it’s a feet first slide.

I remember Wilson having a td overruled as he dived.

 

[kidhawk]

I remember Wilson having a td overruled as he dived.

I’d have to see the play to know what the actual ruling was. I’m not sure what okay yiu are remembering. I just know the rule is diving is not giving up but feet first is.

Could have also just been a horrible call by the official at the time. I never rule that out in the NFL

 

[UK_Seahawk]

NFL rules will now treat head-first dives like feet-first slides

For many years, NFL rules have allowed ball carriers, usually quarterbacks, to protect themselves by sliding feet-first.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[CallMeADawg]

NFL rules will now treat head-first dives like feet-first slides

For many years, NFL rules have allowed ball carriers, usually quarterbacks, to protect themselves by sliding feet-first.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Dang then he was short.

 

[kidhawk]

Maybe I’m just confused by the timing of your question. He can’t be hit after he dives forward and hits the ground as he’ll be considered down, but he’s still only down once he hits the ground so in the play we had today it’s a TD as the ball had crossed the goal line. When sliding feet first the ball is down at the start of the slide which is usually a good yard or two further back than a dive gets.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

NFL rules will now treat head-first dives like feet-first slides

For many years, NFL rules have allowed ball carriers, usually quarterbacks, to protect themselves by sliding feet-first.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

We've seen plenty of QB dives into the end zone since 2018 so I don't think it's a thing. It could've been clarified to make a determination between giving himself up or diving for yards. I just can't imagine there not being huge protests arising from it if it would wipe out QB TDs.

 

[kidhawk]

We've seen plenty of QB dives into the end zone since 2018 so I don't think it's a thing. It could've been clarified to make a determination between giving himself up or diving for yards. I just can't imagine there not being huge protests arising from it if it would wipe out QB TDs.

You could be right but usually qbs get the ball across the goal before a body part hits the turf.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

You could be right but usually qbs get the ball across the goal before a body part hits the turf.

Right, but if the article was correct, the ball would be spotted where he started the dive, not where a body part went down. Wouldn't matter if the ball crossed or not. Which is why I don't think it's actually a thing. That article is years old, if it was ever that strict, it's been way defanged since then.

 

[cymatica]

What a stupid rule. If they want to risk the hit with a dive, then that should be an option.

 

[kidhawk]

Right, but if the article was correct, the ball would be spotted where he started the dive, not where a body part went down. Wouldn't matter if the ball crossed or not. Which is why I don't think it's actually a thing. That article is years old, if it was ever that strict, it's been way defanged since then.

It’s also an older article and we’ve had several off-season rule changing that may have adjusted it back.

 

[bigskydoc]

It's still a rule, but it's a bit of a judgement call.

Diving headfirst at the goal line is not giving yourself up.

Diving headfirst in the open field is giving yourself up.

In the latter case, the QB is down where he started to dive, and the defenders are not allowed to hit him.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

It's still a rule, but it's a bit of a judgement call.

Diving headfirst at the goal line is not giving yourself up.

Diving headfirst in the open field is giving yourself up.

In the latter case, the QB is down where he started to dive, and the defenders are not allowed to hit him.

I dont disagree but I'm sure I've seen qb runs pulled back.

 

[kidhawk]

I found the following in the rule about sliding feet first which should also go for diving.

1. sliding feet-first on the ground. When a runner slides feet-first, the ball is dead the instant he touches the ground with anything other than his hands or his feet.

So they still have to be down by hitting the ground before the ball is dead. Therefor when diving in the end zone the call must cross the goal before your knee or whatever hits the ground.

Down by Contact | NFL Football Operations

operations.nfl.com

 

[FattyKnuckle]

It’s also an older article and we’ve had several off-season rule changing that may have adjusted it back.

Yeah, that's what I was saying.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

I found the following in the rule about sliding feet first which should also go for diving.

1. sliding feet-first on the ground. When a runner slides feet-first, the ball is dead the instant he touches the ground with anything other than his hands or his feet.

So they still have to be down by hitting the ground before the ball is dead. Therefor when diving in the end zone the call must cross the goal before your knee or whatever hits the ground.

Down by Contact | NFL Football Operations

operations.nfl.com

They might be down, but the ball is spotted where they start the slide.

 

[kidhawk]

They might be down, but the ball is spotted where they start the slide.

The ball is spotted where he touches the ground. Announcers will say that’s where the slide started because that’s where they touched the ground. In diving you are in the air. In both instances according to this rule on the nfl site you aren’t down until you contact the ground.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

The ball is spotted where he touches the ground. Announcers will say that’s where the slide started because that’s where they touched the ground. In diving you are in the air. In both instances according to this rule on the nfl site you aren’t down until you contact the ground.

They might be down then, but the ball is placed at the start of the slide or dive. Not where they land, where they start. It's been that way for as long as I can remember.

 

[kidhawk]

They might be down then, but the ball is placed at the start of the slide or dive. Not where they land, where they start. It's been that way for as long as I can remember.

The ball is to be spotted where the ball is at when the player contacts the ground. If the ref gets it wrong it’s on the coaches to challenge it. The TD today was called by the rule.