Poll: The catalyst that lead to Pete’s departure

[seabowl]

In the presser today it was asked of what happened the last 2 to 3 years with the team. He responded by saying something to the effect of the lack of a consistent run game and poor run D or not consistent D overall. As much as the offense had issues, in my opinion, the Jamal Adams trade was the catalyst that set this thing in a downward trend. Constantly hurt and setting the team back on two first round picks. I would not be surprised if when they made that trade they were thinking to themselves, if this doesn’t work out, it could be really bad for us. Also the scheme on defense too was unbelievably perplexing at times, and that coupled with the Adams deal was a recipe for disaster.

 

[Maelstrom787]

It's the assistants. His loyalty to bad assistants undid him.

We did change the scheme on both sides. A few times over the years.

 

[Ozzy]

It's the assistants. His loyalty to bad assistants undid him.

We did change the scheme on both sides. A few times over the years.

I think the idea we switched schemes is slightly exaggerated by Seahawks twitter elites. Sure we used different fronts and coverage shells but the basic philosophy never changed much and old tendencies creeped in. But I do agree it’s a little unfair too when people say nothing ever changed. I’d say the same for the offense.

 

[seabowl]

It's the assistants. His loyalty to bad assistants undid him.

We did change the scheme on both sides. A few times over the years.

Many people have said that the D coordinator, whoever it was, was still just a puppet for Pete’s scheme.

 

[bileever]

I would say that the catalyst was the advent of the Shanahan/McVay offense. It was designed to counter the Seahawk defensive scheme, and Pete never figured out an answer to it. It was also his misfortune that McVay and Shanahan ended up in the NFC West.

 

[AnimeAmore]

I voted Jamal adams trade, but his assistants could just as easily be the reason.
For the last 8 years or so the Hawks have failed to attract top assistants, and the assistants that Pete did get didn't grow and advance. It's hard to be a serious playoff contender when everyone beneath the coach is B-tier on their best days.

 

[seabowl]

I would say that the catalyst was the advent of the Shanahan/McVay offense. It was designed to counter the Seahawk defensive scheme, and Pete never figured out an answer to it. It was also his misfortune that McVay and Shanahan ended up in the NFC West.

The McVay scheme schooled him over and over. In my opinion, McVay is the best coach in the league.

 

[HawkRiderFan]

I voted other because I don't think it was one specific thing but an accumulation of things in the last few years. Pete'e a defensive specialist but no matter what he tried, the D kept regressing.

 

[mistaowen]

I think ultimately it was just the defense being SO bad when that was the focus area coming into this season. If the defense was merely average, this was probably a 10+ win season and they're in the playoffs with Pete coming back next year. All of the things Pete said needed to be better on that side of the ball in 2022 actually got worse, with an injection of high draft picks and $$$ too. Clint Hurtt should never have been the DC and Pete's loyalty to one of his guys honestly might have cost him the job.

After Russ was traded, no one thought they'd be any good. They overachieved and my assumption is Jody and co. felt they needed to take this and grow from it. Fun 9-8 season with no expectations and arguably one of Pete's best coaching jobs of his career followed by missing the playoffs and the defense being one of the worst units in football was probably something they couldn't accept.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Many people have said that the D coordinator, whoever it was, was still just a puppet for Pete’s scheme.

I don't think the scheme was the biggest problem. I think not giving the players the tools to execute the scheme on a basic level was the problem.

 

[NJlargent]

It was obviously a combination of a lot of the above choices. But in my opinion, SB 49 was the catalyst. Not that we lost, but it was how poorly it was handled. It was such a disaster that someone had to get fired just cause to save the morale. Instead nothing was done and the dynasty imploded. It really got bad when ET gave the finger and that's when I think PC was cooked, and then once the poor drafts set in, the cookie completely crumbled.

 

[LeveeBreak]

I voted for not changiing the O/D strategies...but it's more than that. Adams did not help...we lost 2 1st rounders for him and got a handful of exciting plays in return coupled with even more out of position defensive frustrations. I really like Pete as an individual and coach...but it was time based on the team settling in to a middling position which reflects on the guy in charge.

 

[AROS]

His loyalty to sub-par coordinators to me was one of the largest reasons of his eventual demise but certainly not the only reason. A confluence of events (Adams trade, scheme issues, etc) like a slow leak that eventually became a hole you could no longer plug doomed him after 14 years.

 

[pittpnthrs]

There was no "all of the above" option so I didn't vote.

 

[seabowl]

There was no "all of the above" option so I didn't vote.

I don’t disagree but that would’ve been too obvious for me to put as an option.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

From 2013-2021, he drafted exactly one defensive player than went to a Pro Bowl and traded him four years later. He drafted three more than played well enough to start on both this team and others. That's it. Most of the rest didn't even finish their first contract here.

No coordinator is going to succeed with that + a lot of free agency patchwork.

(Since then, Pete has drafted two very likely Pro Bowlers and seven guys that everyone's excited about, but that didn't factor into anyone's calculations concerning Pete, so I'm not including them.)

 

[renofox]

Other: I had my response written and ready to submit, but changed my mind when I realized what I was about to do.

This is not the time to critique PC - that may come later.

This is the time to celebrate a wonderful human being who gave his all to our beloved Seahawks and took them to heights never before experienced.

Thank You, Pete.

 

[MORGULON]

I feel bad about wanting to give Pete Carroll a full power blast of mace . It seems so silly now.

 

[Fade]

It's all of the above.

But the biggest mistake was his undying loyalty to his coaches.

He clung on to most too long.

With Pete's connections and high coaching profile along with Paul Allen's money. They should've had the best coordinators and overall staff in the league year in and year out.

Hitch your wagon to Clint Hurtt, and Geno Smith? This is the result.

McVay wasn't satisfied with Goff.
Andy Reed wasn't satisfied with Alex Smith. Harbaugh either for that matter.

Pete was totally content to run it back Re-Pete 2024 style with Hurtt and Geno. That was the plan that he tried to sell management yesterday. This was his downfall.

 

[TOPHawk]

I voted for 'other'. He said it in an inverse way during today's presser. To him, rightfully so, it's all about the win. It just so happens to be the same with Jody Allen. I appreciate everything Pete brought to this team, this community, and to me personally. But, life is a results based business on many different levels.