Pete Rose died.

[JPatera76]

I get it, he gambled on baseball while he was in the league as a manager.
It’s against the rules absolutely but it didn’t have any impact on what he did as a player on the field.
He still holds multiple records.

I don’t think it was ever proven that he manipulated the put a game, I believe he deserves the HOF, and I’d certainly vote to allow him in.


YMMV

Same 100%

 

[pmedic920]

Can someone move this thread where it belongs? It doesn't deserve to get buried in a game day thread.

I think it’s already posted on the main pages

 

[IndyHawk]

I find it ironic that a lot in sports wouldn't say shit about him or stand up while he was alive... but now he's passed its "RIP, Such a legend" etc etc

MLB sounded hypocritical putting a real long sorry this and that:
But THEY banned him for way too long, I'm sure he'd tell them to
go stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
RIP Charlie Hustle!

 

[Flyingsquad23]

RIP
Great ball player… narcissistic unrepentant gambling addict that sullied his own name.
His skill was HOF worthy his actions deservingly kept him out. But now his bust will be enshrined.

 

[pmedic920]

RIP
Great ball player… narcissistic unrepentant gambling addict that sullied his own name.
His skill was HOF worthy his actions deservingly kept him out. But now his bust will be enshrined.

Harsh take IMO.

I’ll have to assume you’re nearly perfect and have no skeletons in your closet.

Good for you, very few Humans can’t stand out like that.

 

[Flyingsquad23]

Harsh take IMO.

I’ll have to assume you’re nearly perfect and have no skeletons in your closet.

Good for you, very few Humans can’t stand out like that.

Classic response, I never eluded to me being perfect, but I’m also not the one that’s been pissing and moaning for decades about not being in the hall of fame…after a sports gambling scandal.

He got the punishment he earned and now he will get the enshrinement he earned.

 

[RiverDog]

Pete Rose was one of my first baseball favorites. I saw him hit a home run off Warren Spahn, the first MLB home run I had ever witnessed in person when I was 10 years old. He was incredible, not physically gifted like so many athletes, but rather succeeded more on pure guts and determination than on his raw talent. His signature was his headfirst slide.

But I do not support his induction into the HOF, at least not without a number of changes. Not gambling on baseball is one of the oldest rules in the game, and it was put there for a reason: The game itself was nearly destroyed after a gambling scandal in 1919, ie the Black Sox Scandal, which resulted in a number of players receiving permanent bans, including a HOF worthy Shoeless Joe Jackson.

In the World Series that resulted in Shoeless Joe's receiving a lifetime ban, he had 19 hits, 1 home run, 8 RBI's, and hit .375, accounting for 11 of the White Sox 20 runs, yet he received a lifetime ban for supposedly throwing the Series. Admit him first and I'll be OK with admitting Rose.

There are other HOF quality players with more compelling arguments for induction than Pete Rose. Barry Bonds, Roger Clemmons, Sammy Sosa, and Mark McGuire, even though they never broke any established rules and are eligible for the HOF, have been blackballed for their use of steroids.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for Pete Rose. He knew the rules and the consequences. They're actually posted in every MLB dugout. He lied about it in the investigation until he was confronted with undeniable evidence. Sorry, man, there's more people out there with better sob stories than Pete Rose.

 

[Seahawks Guy]

I don't get why anyone would care about being in the Hall of Fame.

 

[GeekHawk]

No doubt.

 

[BGHawk]

Never got his glory

Hopefully he got something much better than that

 

[NoGain]

Rose might have been a more sympathetic figure if he didn't deny the allegations against him for so long, showed more contrition, and just admitted he had a problem. He just kept digging a bigger hole for himself.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Rose might have been a more sympathetic figure if he didn't deny the allegations against him for so long, was more contrite, and just admitted he had a problem.

Yeah probably, but it’s so weird to be mad at him gambling when he won so much you could tell he wasn’t sand bagging to win bets. He was just gambling and having fun

 

[onanygivensunday]

Yeah probably, but it’s so weird to be mad at him gambling when he won so much you could tell he wasn’t sand bagging to win bets. He was just gambling and having fun

IIRC, he never bet against his team... always for.

Keeping him out of the Hall while he was alive was justified... but now that he's passed, he belongs in the HoF.

My rationale... He knew his play justified being in the Hall, but his punishment was not letting him experience the glory/satisfaction/knowledge of being enshrined, which is now moot.

 

[IndyHawk]

Pete Rose was one of my first baseball favorites. I saw him hit a home run off Warren Spahn, the first MLB home run I had ever witnessed in person when I was 10 years old. He was incredible, not physically gifted like so many athletes, but rather succeeded more on pure guts and determination than on his raw talent. His signature was his headfirst slide.

But I do not support his induction into the HOF, at least not without a number of changes. Not gambling on baseball is one of the oldest rules in the game, and it was put there for a reason: The game itself was nearly destroyed after a gambling scandal in 1919, ie the Black Sox Scandal, which resulted in a number of players receiving permanent bans, including a HOF worthy Shoeless Joe Jackson.

In the World Series that resulted in Shoeless Joe's receiving a lifetime ban, he had 19 hits, 1 home run, 8 RBI's, and hit .375, accounting for 11 of the White Sox 20 runs, yet he received a lifetime ban for supposedly throwing the Series. Admit him first and I'll be OK with admitting Rose.

There are other HOF quality players with more compelling arguments for induction than Pete Rose. Barry Bonds, Roger Clemmons, Sammy Sosa, and Mark McGuire, even though they never broke any established rules and are eligible for the HOF, have been blackballed for their use of steroids.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for Pete Rose. He knew the rules and the consequences. They're actually posted in every MLB dugout. He lied about it in the investigation until he was confronted with undeniable evidence. Sorry, man, there's more people out there with better sob stories than Pete Rose.

i think Joe got screwed, he couldn't read or write and they had him sign a confession.
His numbers do not support being in any part of it clearly.

 

[RiverDog]

i think Joe got screwed, he couldn't read or write and they had him sign a confession.
His numbers do not support being in any part of it clearly.

Yep, absolutely. How in the heck could you hit as well as he did in that series when you're supposed to be playing to lose? Shoeless Joe's exclusion from the HOF is a far greater injustice than Pete Rose, who had undeniable evidence lodged against him.

 

[Seahawker]

PR and his Dad.