Percy out

[thegreeninyoureye]

I am curious what being "fed up" with Harvin entails. Do you have a certain amount of imaginary fan points that you are no longer going to share with him? Maybe you normally take him to and from practice but now he will have to drive himself? If Harvin does come back and win a super bowl with us are you committing yourself to not rooting for him?

Obviously you "fed up" folks still have plenty of interest in talking about him. It costs you nothing as a fan to wait and see whether he is able to produce for us, and if he does not then we will have plenty of time to rework our receiver group this offseason.

Moves could of been made with his money he should at least give some back right! Think the guy is a hell of a player when he plays. Problem is he hardly plays man. I could think of a million ways to use that money.

 

[TwistedHusky]

The thing about Harvin is that if he does not produce this year and we do not make the SuperBowl, he will become a scapegoat.

People will absolutely point at him and reasonably conclude that if we only had him or the other draft pick that would have become a WR (since that was a glaring need) we would have likely gone. A reasonably conclusion considering but for a TD in all our losses so far, we would have won.

So no matter what Harvin does, even if he makes the ProBowl in another year - if he does not produce a SB and we narrowly miss it this time...he is going to get a lot of the blame leveled on him. People will hate him for it and will always hold it against him. He will be a symbol of the Seahawk's missed opportunity and will constantly be defending against the broadsides for it.

He hasn't played but a single game already and I absolutely hold him responsible for losses against the 49ers and Colts accordingly. Because he either is faking injury now or knew about his condition before....it is highly unlikely that he just suddenly realized that he was unable to perform even in a limited level at games until the midpoint of the season.

More likely he hid the issues he was dealing with in order to sign a large contract, OR the issues are not there at all and he is just p***y that cannot play through any kind of pain. Which is the expectation when you are making the type of compensation he signed for. I know people that played college ball for a major university in the Pac-10/(now 12) and I think the only time they were healthy ever was before they started college and a few years after they left.

So yeah, P***y Harvin either needs to produce this year, or get the hell out. Because unless he delivers a SB on a silver platter the deal for him was a bust.

And if we miss a SB because he cannot nut up, then no amount of probowls, MVPs or anything else later that does include a SB ring, is going to make me like the guy later.

 

[AgentDib]

Moves could of been made with his money he should at least give some back right! Think the guy is a hell of a player when he plays. Problem is he hardly plays man. I could think of a million ways to use that money.

With the benefit of hindsight, every single team would handle last off season differently.

The Seahawks absolutely were not planning on paying $23 million to receivers that did not dress yesterday. You can argue that they should have known given injury histories, but the reality is that tons of huge stars get hurt every single year in the NFL. Go down the list of NFL teams and you will see players everywhere earning $10 million+ and not playing. It sucks, but ignorant fans will be glad to have a scapegoat because it lets them keep things simple instead of having to accept the complexity that comes with uncertainty.

We do not know if Harvin will help us in the playoffs or not, but he is a sunk cost for this season. The only reason to mentally "write him off" right now as a fan is if holding that uncertainty is too complicated for you to handle.

 

[gonzhawk]

We gambled, and as of now we lost....

The thing that gets me the most is the draft capital, which worsens the entire deal IMO.

I don't this guy did anything wrong, he wants to play, but we are the worse for it and need to plan accordingly. Next year.

Injury prone players are liabilities, not assets, and he is just that. Okung to me is also a becoming liability and we need a back up plan there also.

Incidentally, aren't hip problems in that labrum area harder to comeback from? Especially for Pro Football players? The only way that cartilage gets replaced is hip replacement surgery for bone on bone-not like ACL tendon surgery.

I don't blame him, but I am not going to apologize for him either. He is a free agent injury bust and to say he will be better "next"
year provides zero comfort. I am just angry at losing and he is definitely a great scapegoat for our offense sucking lately.

 

[WilsonMVP]

The thing about Harvin is that if he does not produce this year and we do not make the SuperBowl, he will become a scapegoat.

People will absolutely point at him and reasonably conclude that if we only had him or the other draft pick that would have become a WR (since that was a glaring need) we would have likely gone. A reasonably conclusion considering but for a TD in all our losses so far, we would have won.

So no matter what Harvin does, even if he makes the ProBowl in another year - if he does not produce a SB and we narrowly miss it this time...he is going to get a lot of the blame leveled on him. People will hate him for it and will always hold it against him. He will be a symbol of the Seahawk's missed opportunity and will constantly be defending against the broadsides for it.

He hasn't played but a single game already and I absolutely hold him responsible for losses against the 49ers and Colts accordingly. Because he either is faking injury now or knew about his condition before....it is highly unlikely that he just suddenly realized that he was unable to perform even in a limited level at games until the midpoint of the season.

More likely he hid the issues he was dealing with in order to sign a large contract, OR the issues are not there at all and he is just p***y that cannot play through any kind of pain. Which is the expectation when you are making the type of compensation he signed for. I know people that played college ball for a major university in the Pac-10/(now 12) and I think the only time they were healthy ever was before they started college and a few years after they left.

So yeah, P***y Harvin either needs to produce this year, or get the hell out. Because unless he delivers a SB on a silver platter the deal for him was a bust.

And if we miss a SB because he cannot nut up, then no amount of probowls, MVPs or anything else later that does include a SB ring, is going to make me like the guy later.

I dont blame them for going after him but I think it was mainly supposed to be for THIS year, when we have a STACKED team. Looking back if they would of just kept their pick and drafted Cordarelle Patterson we would of had exactly what they want out of Harvin anyway. He is basically the exact same player harvin is but taller and probably a better route runner. Hands are probably a little less reliable though on really tough catches.

I am also a Vikings fan and let me tell you, Patterson has been every bit as good as Harvin has, especially on returns. I think he is actually about the same if not better than Harvin at returning the ball. Teams have started to kick away from him alot. They have FINALLY started to get him involved in the offense and he is pretty much doing what Harvin had done. This trade was a STEAL by the vikings so far.

 

[Greenhell]

Ha! Where are those being sold at?

 

[Greenhell]

I don't even consider Percy a member of this team right now.

I'm leaning this way too. I've pretty much stopped being concerned one way or the other.

 

[Missing_Clink]

The real question is who do we lose to free agency because of Percy's bloated contract in the next couple of years? Sherm? Earl? KJ? Golden? Baldwin? Bennett? That is when the idiocy of the trade and contract we gave him will truly set in. Brace yourselves because it's coming.

 

[DavidSeven]

Hey, I was the first one who posted that his nickname should be "The Harvin Effect" in a .NET thread of the same name.

I would demand royalties if I didn't think those were going to remain boxed up for the foreseeable future.

 

[SilNWest]

I don't even consider Percy a member of this team right now.

I'm leaning this way too. I've pretty much stopped being concerned one way or the other.

I'm the same way man, its pretty lame. Since about midway through the season I've considered him a prove it type player.

Prove to me you are a Seahawk and I will support you, otherwise... you aren't even a Seahawk.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Percy played for one game and it left him in worse shape then before the game. That doesn't bode well for his future.

 

[NFSeahawks]

I'll hold off on full judgement of the Percy Harvin trade until the end of next season.

In Pete's presser he basically said Harvin hip hasn't progressed and healed enough to this point. Based on the expected time table given, which was that he would be ready come December it sounds like Pete maybe has finally moved Percy from week to week to out for the remainder of the year. I don't expect to see Percy this year so I won't pretend to think he will play in the playoffs.

I don't really believe in the whole lets make everyone believe he's not ready then play him idea either, I mean maybe but it just doesn't really seem like something Pete would do.

It's a disappointing situation to this point, thats all I will say for now, oh and I didn't like the trade from the get go but I was willing to give him a chance still am, just a little predictable to this point.

 

[NFSeahawks]

Percy played for one game and it left him in worse shape then before the game. That doesn't bode well for his future.

Thats scary to think about. His career might in fact almost be over, at least the Seahawks have a little bit of an out but damn, say it aint so.

 

[NFSeahawks]

I am curious what being "fed up" with Harvin entails. Do you have a certain amount of imaginary fan points that you are no longer going to share with him? Maybe you normally take him to and from practice but now he will have to drive himself? If Harvin does come back and win a super bowl with us are you committing yourself to not rooting for him?

Obviously you "fed up" folks still have plenty of interest in talking about him. It costs you nothing as a fan to wait and see whether he is able to produce for us, and if he does not then we will have plenty of time to rework our receiver group this offseason.

If he doesn't produce over all it doesn't make it any less frustrating as we traded our 1st round pick for him. It's not just move on without him.

It was a big investment.

That being said as my above posts state I'll wait until the end of next season before I give judgement on the situation.

 

[AgentDib]

If he doesn't produce over all it doesn't make it any less frustrating as we traded our 1st round pick for him. It's not just move on without him. It was a big investment.

Oh it is definitely a big blow; not just the pick but the opportunity cost of the upfront bonus and salary that could have gone to another star player instead. It sucks, it has already lowered our potential this season, and it could easily be the difference in us winning a Super Bowl this year.

I just don't see the fan point of view of declaring that you are "done" with him, or even what that is supposed to mean. Like there is some sort of fan powered bandwagon that posters want to push him off, and then those same posters wouldn't then cheer for him in the future if he starts playing well for us. Maybe some can only root for a few Hawks at a time so by moving Harvin off their mental list they are clearing up space to root extra hard for Clint Gresham.

 

[chris98251]

I think the surgery was just the start, from what I have gathered his ligiments and tendons and muscles had to basically learn how to function correctly after a life time of being inhibited from what I been able to gather from all the posts. That can be a long process as muscle memory isn't there and every stress is new to the flexibility being learned by all the stuff connected to it.

I think the degree of injury was much more then we have been informed about.

 

[thegreeninyoureye]

We do not know if Harvin will help us in the playoffs or not, but he is a sunk cost for this season. The only reason to mentally "write him off" right now as a fan is if holding that uncertainty is too complicated for you to handle.

That is funny man it isn't to complicated for me to handle that is just plain dumb. I write him off cause he is sitting on the bench. Over the course of his career the guy hardly suits up at all. I am not blaming everything on him yeah your right hind sight is 20/20. I could of bet my house on it even before he hurt his hip that we would be lucky to get 8-10 games out of him. Its not that complicated at all. He is a injury prone wr bottom line I don't care what anybody says. Do I think he cost us the season. No not at all I think we are kicking butt and He isn't to blame for none of our loses. Why cause he isn't playing. I just think its a joke they make that amount of money doing nothing pretty much. But anyways merry Christmas and have a happy new year may it bring you peace and joy! There is more to worry about in life than Priscilla Harvin.

 

[bigcc]

We do not know if Harvin will help us in the playoffs or not, but he is a sunk cost for this season. The only reason to mentally "write him off" right now as a fan is if holding that uncertainty is too complicated for you to handle.

That is funny man it isn't to complicated for me to handle that is just plain dumb. I write him off cause he is sitting on the bench. Over the course of his career the guy hardly suits up at all. I am not blaming everything on him yeah your right hind sight is 20/20. I could of bet my house on it even before he hurt his hip that we would be lucky to get 8-10 games out of him. Its not that complicated at all. He is a injury prone wr bottom line I don't care what anybody says. Do I think he cost us the season. No not at all I think we are kicking butt and He isn't to blame for none of our loses. Why cause he isn't playing. I just think its a joke they make that amount of money doing nothing pretty much. But anyways merry Christmas and have a happy new year may it bring you peace and joy! There is more to worry about in life than Percy Harvin.

He hardly suits up at all? He missed 3 starts in his first 3 seasons you guys need to stop pulling speculation out of your ass like it's fact

 

[thegreeninyoureye]

He hardly suits up at all? He missed 3 starts in his first 3 seasons you guys need to stop pulling speculation out of your ass like it's fact[/quote]


I only saw him play one game this year unless I am mistaken that is a fact. He only played 9 games last year. Look it up that is a fact that is just off the top of my head. I aint pulling nothing out of my butt that's sick.

 

[kf3339]

If Harvin is not able or willing to play for this team on Sunday (Rams) or in the playoffs this season then he should be cut. Period.

This is not a game for lazy assholes who have no ability to handle pain. The NFL is littered with Pro Bowl, All Pro and Hall of Fame players who have played with far more issues than he has had to deal with to this point in his career.

So if he doesn't play he should be gone. We can't do anything about the trade or first round pick last year and 3rd round pick this year. Nor can we do anything at this point about the signing bonus and salary we paid him this year. But we can damn sure do something about the guaranteed salary for next year and the remaining part of his contract.

So if he doesn't play get rid of his ass. If PC and JS can't or won't make the move then Paul Allen should to make a very important point as to who owns the team..

That is how I see it.