OT: Pete Carroll Fired

[IndyHawk]

The Raiders will never learn. They give a coach a crap team that the Raiders are responsible for, the team sucks, blame Pete Carroll.

Pete wanted Geno, Jeante, Adams and Tyler.. He had more say in
Picking and picking up players than I ever thought (really)..
He also put his boys on the coaching staff and wanted the OC/ DC
he ended up firing.
Pete was being Pete to the fullest with favoritism, nepotism and making
stupid decisions.
He got what he deserved period!

 

[Mike MacDarnold]

That’s too bad. Thanks Raiders for not trading down and drafting Zabel and Emmanwori.

 

[NoGain]

Out of curiosity, why don't you care for him? My wife is the same way, she hates him for his time at USC, which I get.

Is your wife a USC fan? I'm just asking because I know that the end there left some with a bad taste in their mouths, but he won like hell when he was there, won two national championships, came within a nose-hair of winning a third, and won over ten games in seven of the nine years he was there. Most programs would kill for a run like that.

I'm just asking.

 

[bileever]

Fortunes change, and no man's happiness is guaranteed, as Herodotus said.

 

[hawker84]

USC plays a part. He just rubs me the wrong way. I get used car salesman vibes from him.

Plus I think he stopped being a good coach 8 years ago, ever since he blew the SB for us. Actually im being generous, i never thought he was a good coach. Decent personnel guy, good culture guy. Horrible "in game" coach
And horrible president of operations.

He went over the the raiders and did the same stupid things, and Brady wasnt having it, saying nope, that's not winning football. Because his philosophy is not winning football, and hasn't been for years

 

[hawker84]

Pete wanted Geno, Jeante, Adams and Tyler.. He had more say in
Picking and picking up players than I ever thought (really)..
He also put his boys on the coaching staff and wanted the OC/ DC
he ended up firing.
Pete was being Pete to the fullest with favoritism, nepotism and making
stupid decisions.
He got what he deserved period!

 

[NoGain]

Fortunes change, and no man's happiness is guaranteed, as Herodotus said.

Ah, the father of history. Giant historical figure.

I may be in the tiny minority here, but I thought PC would have been perfect for the UW job when DeBoer left. He would have had huge cache back at the college level, been a great salesman in the NIL era, and his style which wore out at the NFL level I think might have continued to work at that level where players don't tire of hearing the same thing for many years.

Anyway...just an old thought I drudged back up...

 

[Grahamhawker]

This was never going to end well.

I'll give Pete some credit for trying it at his age. But, he either grossly underestimated how difficult it would be to turn the Raiders around or he was just arrogant enough to think that he could pull it off despite the dysfunction.

 

[NoGain]

I'll give Pete some credit for trying it at his age. But, he either grossly underestimated how difficult it would be to turn the Raiders around or he was just arrogant enough to think that he could pull it off despite the dysfunction.

I think that's a good way of putting it.

 

[Ruminator]

Pretty impressive Commitment to Excellence!

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Pete wanted Geno, Jeante, Adams and Tyler.. He had more say in
Picking and picking up players than I ever thought (really)..
He also put his boys on the coaching staff and wanted the OC/ DC
he ended up firing.
Pete was being Pete to the fullest with favoritism, nepotism and making
stupid decisions.
He got what he deserved period!

I heard otherwise in that he wanted Darnold and Brady veto'd it and didn't get a say in appointing the OC but he was desperate to get back in.

Appointing his son as oline coach and the line sucking is a terrible look though.

 

[James in PA]

Pete, if the Jets or Browns come calling, DON'T DO IT.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Pretty impressive Commitment to Excellence!

They never learn. It sounds like they wanted Flores. When has ex patriot assistants done well outside of that org?

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Pete, if the Jets or Browns come calling, DON'T DO IT.

He could be really good in the media if he needs purpose in life. He knows more about x's and o's than half the clowns out there doing those shows.

 

[Aircrew]

Is your wife a USC fan? I'm just asking because I know that the end there left some with a bad taste in their mouths, but he won like hell when he was there, won two national championships, came within a nose-hair of winning a third, and won over ten games in seven of the nine years he was there. Most programs would kill for a run like that.

I'm just asking.

No, she's actually a Duck so she just hates the University of Spoiled Children in general. Which, hey, I think we can all get behind that. But, it's also the way he'd run up scores while he was at SC, which is true, plus the way he slinked out the back door to take the Seahawks job 5 minutes before the NCAA leveled sanctions on the SC program. And I don't argue with any of that, in fact, I wasn't too thrilled when he was initially hired by the Hawks. But I still like the guy for his positive attributes and the best years we've enjoyed as Seahawk fans while still acknowledging he's a complicated guy with a somewhat checkered track record.

 

[IndyHawk]

I heard otherwise in that he wanted Darnold and Brady veto'd it and didn't get a say in appointing the OC but he was desperate to get back in.

Appointing his son as oline coach and the line sucking is a terrible look though.

I'll look for the article, but it stated Pete had more power than the GM.
Geno could have been the second choice though, Brady did have say over
Pete.

 

[therealjohncarlson]

This was never going to end well.

I'll give Pete some credit for trying it at his age. But, he either grossly underestimated how difficult it would be to turn the Raiders around or he was just arrogant enough to think that he could pull it off despite the dysfunction.

So its considered arrogant to take a tough job and struggle with it? Not sure I really see the logic behind your statement.

I think he quite simply is getting too old and the game has passed him by in more way than one. But kudos to him for trying one last time.

 

[Hawknight]

Not surprising. Methinks the game has passed him by.

He should enjoy his golden years...family, etc....game has certainly passed him by

 

[Hawknight]

The Raiders will never learn. They give a coach a crap team that the Raiders are responsible for, the team sucks, blame Pete Carroll.

But they did us a huge favor...took GeNo off of our hands...lol

 

[Grahamhawker]

So its considered arrogant to take a tough job and struggle with it? Not sure I really see the logic behind your statement.

I think he quite simply is getting too old and the game has passed him by in more way than one. But kudos to him for trying one last time.

Maybe arrogance is not the best descriptor. I think what I'm saying is it was always a bit surprising he took the task on with very slim chances of success and there was no way his legacy wouldn't take a hit. Like I said, credit him for trying. Thinking more about it leans more toward a Raiders management issue than a Pete issue.