Nr 1 deep passer in the league..well well...

[pittpnthrs]

Break it down?, hell no, you're just repeating nonsense (talking in circles)
You're locked in the Geno is an average/Pedestrian Quarterback, so your OPINION of him is tainted (garbage in, garbage out)...Are the lights starting to come on for you yet? (likely not)
Geno has >ONE< year as the Seahawks starting Quarterback, and with that >ONE< year, he made the Pro-Bowl, AND 'Comeback Player of The Year', and what's even more important, CONTINUETY.
Some of y'all had him pegged as a LOSER last season, and he proved to be anything but, and it galls the crap out of ya, and that's on you.

Lol. He is an average\pedestrian QB. I admit he had a good, unlike Geno season. Yeah he made the pro-bowl because the NFC's QB list is all pretty much crap and he also got the CBPOY award because he finally had a season in which he didnt suck. Take all those numbers and it looks great and it still only equated to a 9-8 record. Average. Yep, average. Wins are what I care about. When he can start doing that, i'll reevaluate my position on him.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Lol. He is an average\pedestrian QB. I admit he had a good, unlike Geno season. Yeah he made the pro-bowl because the NFC's QB list is all pretty much crap and he also got the CBPOY award because he finally had a season in which he didnt suck. Take all those numbers and it looks great and it still only equated to a 9-8 record. Average. Yep, average. Wins are what I care about. When he can start doing that, i'll reevaluate my position on him.

Stunningly little actual football analysis in this comment, which is why the position is easily discarded. You're throwing darts in a dark room.

 

[scutterhawk]

Stunningly little actual football analysis in this comment, which is why the position is easily discarded. You're throwing darts in a dark room.

Yep, he throws sh*t against the wall, because that's all he's got.
His analysis is skewed by big dislike for Geno Smith, so I take what he as to say about him with a micro-grain of salt. LOLOL

 

[Rainger]

Certainly some of them were lost with a porous defense. But when the D gives up a score, great qb's are able to pull out a score in the last minute or two when the chips are down and the game is on the line. We saw Russ do it over and over again. Geno? Not so much. I get it, the D was terrible. Fix it, and we win more games. That is true. But win a sb? I need to see more from Geno. Simple as that.

Well Russ never won a SB.

The defence and special teams did. They alone scored enough to beat Denver.

Were in the SB did the team need to rely on Russ for the win in any way? But he sure did lose one with the game on the line.

Yes Geno would also have won that SB.

If RW was so magical why did he not win MVP??

Kelly Stoffer could have been the winning QB in that game.

 

[BASF]

Let's not forget that Wilson led the "fourth quarter comeback" against the 49ers in the NFC Championship game.

Yes, I put it in quotes because we scored the game winning touchdown in the first two minutes of the fourth quarter, but it goes down in the record books as a fourth quarter comeback, thus proving how "clutch" Wilson was (hooray for the marks!)

 

[scutterhawk]

Well Russ never won a SB.

The defence and special teams did. They alone scored enough to beat Denver.

Were in the SB did the team need to rely on Russ for the win in any way? But he sure did lose one with the game on the line.

Yes Geno would also have won that SB.

If RW was so magical why did he not win MVP??

Kelly Stoffer could have been the winning QB in that game.

Geno would have CERTAINLY won SB 47, just like Russell 'God' Wilson D-I-D LOSE SB 48...My proof you ask?, what did RW produced in the following 8 years that followed that calamity? a FEW ONE & DONES in the Playoffs, eh?

 

[scutterhawk]

Let's not forget that Wilson led the "fourth quarter comeback" against the 49ers in the NFC Championship game.

Yes, I put it in quotes because we scored the game winning touchdown in the first two minutes of the fourth quarter, but it goes down in the record books as a fourth quarter comeback, thus proving how "clutch" Wilson was (hooray for the marks!)

NOPE ^ You're discounting Richard Shermanand his T-I-P that sealed the win in that that game....TEAM EFFORT got us to THAT Super-Bowl, it wasn't>> ONLY<<->>RUSSELL WILSON<<< all by his lonesome that advanced us to the SB in that NFC Championship-game....Honesty on this matter is of paramount IMPORTANTCE.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Stunningly little actual football analysis in this comment, which is why the position is easily discarded. You're throwing darts in a dark room.

See thats the problem with so many, they have to have data points for everything. Take all the stats and numbers you need for Geno Montana and it still equates to 9-8. Average. When he can lead a team to something better than that and a post season win somewhere along the line, get back to me.

The whole point of the conversation was debating whether a good\great QB gets better results than an average QB. Smith had a very good first half of a season last year and fans now have a misconception that he's now a good to great QB although he obviously could have done better and the win\loss record clearly shows that.

 

[keasley45]

Dont know. A Russell Wilson in his prime,,,,,absolutely.

Russel Wilson in his prime still needed the LOB and Lynch to find real success.

Last year, our qb had one of the worst defenses in the league, was sacked 4th most, despite getting the ball out quickly, and had a rushing attack that was crippled for stretches at a time.

Russel in his prime still couldn't read defenses. No matter what the talent level around him, no matter how great the coordinator, he was still going to run around in the backfield and wait for someone to pop open.

Even in Russ's best statistical seasons, absent the LOB, we were basically 1 and done in the post season.

 

[keasley45]

See thats the problem with so many, they have to have data points for everything. Take all the stats and numbers you need for Geno Montana and it still equates to 9-8. Average. When he can lead a team to something better than that and a post season win somewhere along the line, get back to me.

The whole point of the conversation was debating whether a good\great QB gets better results than an average QB. Smith had a very good first half of a season last year and fans now have a misconception that he's now a good to great QB although he obviously could have done better and the win\loss record clearly shows that.

It's funny that you criticize Geno for having a good first half and then average or bad second half of the season and use that to label him mediocre and just slapped by luck.

Yet Russell's entire career saw a pattern of the EXACT same type of play. Hot first half of the season ( in the handful of seasons he was considered anything more than a game manager) followed by looking pretty mortal over the 2nd half of seasons, and then just shi!++ing the bed in the playoffs.

MVP voters, even during his 'cooking ' year reserved too much praise for him stating that the big question woukd be whether he could sustain his play over a full season, or whether he (like always) by seasons end, would be out of the running.

What's your argument going to be when we're contending for a title with Geno and Russ is either trying to resurrect his career on his 3rd team... or just flat out hangs em up after being exposed as a guy who could do little without the coach who originally groomed him and twisted an entire team around him to support his specific style of play?

 

[BASF]

NOPE ^ You're discounting Richard Shermanand his T-I-P that sealed the win in that that game....TEAM EFFORT got us to THAT Super-Bowl, it wasn't>> ONLY<<->>RUSSELL WILSON<<< all by his lonesome that advanced us to the SB in that NFC Championship-game....Honesty on this matter is of paramount IMPORTANTCE.

Without Wilson's "fourth quarter comeback" drive, the Tip doesn't even matter. The Tip was with thirty seconds left. If the 49ers were still in the lead, they would have just run out the clock.

 

[Rainger]

Without Wilson's "fourth quarter comeback" drive, the Tip doesn't even matter. The Tip was with thirty seconds left. If the 49ers were still in the lead, they would have just run out the clock.

Ha Ha the 4th 1/4 come back that you yourself admitted was in the first 2 minutes of the 4th 1/4.

It may be a statistical come back but it isn't what most people think of a comeback in the last 2 minutes to WIN the game. It merely was the last score.

Now if you have your tongue in your cheek and are using the "" as I did referring to NORMAL footfall than I am with you. But RW did not WIN that game. The D did.

 

[BASF]

Now if you have your tongue in your cheek and are using the "" as I did referring to NORMAL footfall than I am with you. But RW did not WIN that game. The D did.

Of course, in the Anti-Me3 rankings on .Net I'd say I rank in the top seven.

It wasn't even Wilson's touchdown that forced the Tip anyway. Most people forget about the Chancellor interception that allowed Hauschka to extend the lead to six so the 49ers couldn't just kick a field goal to tie. Wilson hit two passes after that INT, one of which was a big third down conversion on a slant to Tate, but any QB makes that throw.

 

[Rainger]

Of course, in the Anti-Me3 rankings on .Net I'd say I rank in the top seven.

It wasn't even Wilson's touchdown that forced the Tip anyway. Most people forget about the Chancellor interception that allowed Hauschka to extend the lead to six so the 49ers couldn't just kick a field goal to tie. Wilson hit two passes after that INT, one of which was a big third down conversion on a slant to Tate, but any QB makes that throw.

If you are in the top 7 care to share the other say 6 to 9 names? Lol

 

[Year of The Hawk]

Lol. He is an average\pedestrian QB. I admit he had a good, unlike Geno season. Yeah he made the pro-bowl because the NFC's QB list is all pretty much crap and he also got the CBPOY award because he finally had a season in which he didnt suck. Take all those numbers and it looks great and it still only equated to a 9-8 record. Average. Yep, average. Wins are what I care about. When he can start doing that, i'll reevaluate my position on him.

Interesting logic. Somehow this is not an individual sport and the rest of the team doesn’t matter. So any QB with less than say a 12-5 record (or whatever you deem success) or does not win the super bowl then they are not any good. So Wilson did not get us to any other Super Bowls so it would make sense to get rid of him. Geno only had one decent season. Let’s move on. (Sarcasm off). Not sure what you expect. Too much fantasy football and or Madden??? The real world doesn’t work that way. Winning games is hard and takes a whole team. Geno held up his end of the bargain last season. The defense did not. Not sure what is not clear about that?

 

[pittpnthrs]

Russel Wilson in his prime still needed the LOB and Lynch to find real success.

Last year, our qb had one of the worst defenses in the league, was sacked 4th most, despite getting the ball out quickly, and had a rushing attack that was crippled for stretches at a time.

Russel in his prime still couldn't read defenses. No matter what the talent level around him, no matter how great the coordinator, he was still going to run around in the backfield and wait for someone to pop open.

Even in Russ's best statistical seasons, absent the LOB, we were basically 1 and done in the post season.

All of that and he still would have won 10 or more games last season.

 

[pittpnthrs]

It's funny that you criticize Geno for having a good first half and then average or bad second half of the season and use that to label him mediocre and just slapped by luck.

Yet Russell's entire career saw a pattern of the EXACT same type of play. Hot first half of the season ( in the handful of seasons he was considered anything more than a game manager) followed by looking pretty mortal over the 2nd half of seasons, and then just shi!++ing the bed in the playoffs.

MVP voters, even during his 'cooking ' year reserved too much praise for him stating that the big question woukd be whether he could sustain his play over a full season, or whether he (like always) by seasons end, would be out of the running.

What's your argument going to be when we're contending for a title with Geno and Russ is either trying to resurrect his career on his 3rd team... or just flat out hangs em up after being exposed as a guy who could do little without the coach who originally groomed him and twisted an entire team around him to support his specific style of play?

Your right about the half season drop offs or improvements by both Russ and Geno. Whats the common denominator throughout it all?

I wont need an argument because that isnt happening.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Interesting logic. Somehow this is not an individual sport and the rest of the team doesn’t matter. So any QB with less than say a 12-5 record (or whatever you deem success) or does not win the super bowl then they are not any good. So Wilson did not get us to any other Super Bowls so it would make sense to get rid of him. Geno only had one decent season. Let’s move on. (Sarcasm off). Not sure what you expect. Too much fantasy football and or Madden??? The real world doesn’t work that way. Winning games is hard and takes a whole team. Geno held up his end of the bargain last season. The defense did not. Not sure what is not clear about that?

You missed the conversation completely. We were talking about the ability to bring a team back and to rise above the implemented system when the time calls for it. Geno wasnt good at it last season. I dont feel he can do the things that other good QBs can and that includes taking the Seahawks anywhere further than a first or second round loss in the post season. We'll find out.

 

[olyfan63]

As is the case with most metrics of this nature, it's always better to be ranked first in the category than it is last. But I have to ask, how relevant is this when it comes to winning football games? We were 9-8 and one and done in the playoffs with the best deep ball thrower in the league. Not acceptable in my book.

The immortal Ricky Bobby breaks it down for you right here, the importance of being first. While we're on the topic, this coming year, I predict Geno will absolutely piss excellence.

 

[BlueTalon]

All of that and he still would have won 10 or more games last season.

Wilson? He had a hard time hitting receivers that were standing right in front of him last season. He had one of the best defenses in the league and still only won four games.